Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[greekalum]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

However, there may not be many, but I am sure there are a few women like me, who want to join for the right reasons, are willing to be a very present, hardworking member, and "do the sorority justice" in representing it and giving back. I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if HQ was contacted by these women. How many could there possibly be? This forum is very, very small.

I also believe, in regards to the crazies, let's say they did contact your HQ. If you can figure out they are nuts in a few posts, don't you think a group of women can figure out the same thing?

Trust your local AA. I am sure they turn down alot.

Hon, you seem to be missing the fact that what you consider the "right reasons" is not the same as what most sororities consider "the right reasons."

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Recruitment is an annual open event. AI is not. And GC PNMs are told to contact their universities to verify any information they receive from GC.

If you truly desire to be a sorority woman, I find it hard to understand why you refuse to comprehend that we as sororities have a method and a way of doing things, and that these things are done for a reason. It isn't for you to question our system or say that it must be changed simply because you don't agree with it. If you so dislike how sororities do things, perhaps you should not desire to be a part of such an organization with its many policies and rules. You may enjoy a more liberal type of organization where no one is subject to fitting in and following rules.

I never stated that I disliked the way sororites did things. My objections here are regarding how INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS are interpreting their GLO's wishes. That isn't the same thing as disagreeing with the organization.

I also never said that AI is an open event.

Honestly, if you are going to keep making statements that I don't make and pull generalities that aren't even suggested, let alone stated, I'm going to have to put you on ignore.

I understand the process perfectly, and what suprises me, is your posts suggests that you know how every other GLO works, and if all of that is ritual (as you have previously stated), who would be giving you this information?

The fact is, you don't, as I previously stated.

You can't keep going back and forth as to what is and isn't ritual b/c it isn't supporting your argument at the time you post it.

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Hon, you seem to be missing the fact that what you consider the "right reasons" is not the same as what most sororities consider "the right reasons."

I stated the reasons to the local AA, and that is up to them to decide. Considering I sent them this information up front, and met them, and they invited me to further activities, obviously, they don't have an issue with why I want to join.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

PT or Carnation,

Any word on this proposed solution (or ANY solution, for that matter)? It would be refreshing to know that either:

1. The AI forum will continue in its current state
2. The AI forum will continue with specific guidelines
3. The AI forum will cease to continue

I don't think this thread is going to get any better, as it has just gotten worse and worse with the passing of time. I don't know that any new "material" is being discussed; it's just the same stuff over and over again.

People who are in support of the AI forum will continue to be supportive of it. Those who are opposed will continue to be opposed. It doesn't appear to matter what either side says to the other - minds have already been made up.

[AlphaFrog]

ReachTheLimit,

I'm just going to put it out there, blunt as possible, because you seem to need it that way:

You have 79 posts on GC. All but 5 are you fighting for your "right" to shop on GC as an AI. Argue all you want, but in the grand picture of things, when decision time comes as to whether the AI Forum stays or goes, your opinion means one of two things: 1)Jack 2)Sh*t.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

PT or Carnation,

Any word on this proposed solution (or ANY solution, for that matter)? It would be refreshing to know that either:

1. The AI forum will continue in its current state
2. The AI forum will continue with specific guidelines
3. The AI forum will cease to continue

I don't think this thread is going to get any better, as it has just gotten worse and worse with the passing of time. I don't know that any new "material" is being discussed; it's just the same stuff over and over again.

People who are in support of the AI forum will continue to be supportive of it. Those who are opposed will continue to be opposed. It doesn't appear to matter what either side says to the other - minds have already been made up.

Yeah, who's sig has the "fighting on GC is like herding cats" line? No one's mind is changing over this. (not that the thread should be closed, just that we should stop paying attention to it)

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I never stated that I disliked the way sororites did things. My objections here are regarding how INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS are interpreting their GLO's wishes. That isn't the same thing as disagreeing with the organization.

I also never said that AI is an open event.

Honestly, if you are going to keep making statements that I don't make and pull generalities that aren't even suggested, let alone stated, I'm going to have to put you on ignore.

I understand the process perfectly, and what suprises me, is your posts suggests that you know how every other GLO works, and if all of that is ritual (as you have previously stated), who would be giving you this information?

The fact is, you don't, as I previously stated.

You can't keep going back and forth as to what is and isn't ritual b/c it isn't supporting your argument at the time you post it.

No, you didn't say that AI is an open event. But you did say that the recruitment forum shouldn't exist for the same reason the AI forum shouldn't exist.
You basically said (I'm not saying you did say, don't get me wrong, this is my interpretation) that this forum is a great resource for information. If we close it we need to close the undergrad recruitment forum. The difference, though, is that you can get recruitment information from a thousand different places all over the internet, because it is so open. If this forum is closed, where does the info come from? Nowhere, unless the correct channels are used.
This forum gave recent posters false hope that they too could be in a sorority. Even if they knew the hurdles, they were still contacting five different groups at the same time.
This forum should stay if we establish the following:
1. AI exists.
2. It's difficult and no one here is going to help you get started, you need to figure that out on your own.
3. These ladies are already midway through their journeys, this is where they post.

Any thread that even hints of 'help me do this plz!' quandry should be squashed immediately.

[ReachTheLimit]

I don't think people that are Anti-AI should be posting in the AI forum at all.

If they cannot contribute positively to the discussion and only want to argue and discourage others and argue on who and who shouldn't be seeking AI, when the HQ and local AA makes those decisions, then they shoudn't be allowed to post on the forum.

The AI bashing needs to stop, because that is all the AI Forum has turned out to be.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yeah, who's sig has the "fighting on GC is like herding cats" line? No one's mind is changing over this. (not that the thread should be closed, just that we should stop paying attention to it)

That was me quoting adpiucf...I just took it out today to quote your lovely sister.

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

ReachTheLimit,

I'm just going to put it out there, blunt as possible, because you seem to need it that way:

You have 79 posts on GC. All but 5 are you fighting for your "right" to shop on GC as an AI. Argue all you want, but in the grand picture of things, when decision time comes as to whether the AI Forum stays or goes, your opinion means one of two things: 1)Jack 2)Sh*t.

That's a decision for John to make, not you.

You are anti-AI, so your opinion is pretty much worthless to me.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I don't think people that are Anti-AI should be posting in the AI forum at all.

If they cannot contribute positively to the discussion and only want to argue and discourage others and argue on who and who shouldn't be seeking AI, when the HQ and local AA makes those decisions, then they shoudn't be allowed to post on the forum.

The AI bashing needs to stop, because that is all the AI Forum has turned out to be.

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

That's a decision for John to make, not you.

You are anti-AI, so your opinion is pretty much worthless to me.

FOR THE LOVE OF FREAKIN A...

NO ONE IS ANTI-AI. WE ARE ANTI-AI SHOPPING.

And if you want sunshine blown up your ass, GC is not the place for that.

And FYI...I have Rec'd an AI, so I am NOT anti-AI...I'm Anti-AI discussion on GC.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

That's a decision for John to make, not you.

You are anti-AI, so your opinion is pretty much worthless to me.

No.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I don't think people that are Anti-AI should be posting in the AI forum at all.

If they cannot contribute positively to the discussion and only want to argue and discourage others and argue on who and who shouldn't be seeking AI, when the HQ and local AA makes those decisions, then they shoudn't be allowed to post on the forum.

The AI bashing needs to stop, because that is all the AI Forum has turned out to be.

Whoa! Wait just a second here. These are OUR organizations that are involved. How can you say that just because I'm anti-AI I shouldn't post? That's even MORE of a reason to post. This forum and what may or may not happen to it will have an effect on our organizations.

Who do you think makes up the AA? WE do!

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by centaur532

No, you didn't say that AI is an open event. But you did say that the recruitment forum shouldn't exist for the same reason the AI forum shouldn't exist.
You basically said (I'm not saying you did say, don't get me wrong, this is my interpretation) that this forum is a great resource for information. If we close it we need to close the undergrad recruitment forum. The difference, though, is that you can get recruitment information from a thousand different places all over the internet, because it is so open. If this forum is closed, where does the info come from? Nowhere, unless the correct channels are used.
This forum gave recent posters false hope that they too could be in a sorority. Even if they knew the hurdles, they were still contacting five different groups at the same time.
This forum should stay if we establish the following:
1. AI exists.
2. It's difficult and no one here is going to help you get started, you need to figure that out on your own.
3. These ladies are already midway through their journeys, this is where they post.

Any thread that even hints of 'help me do this plz!' quandry should be squashed immediately.

Actually, (and I say this very kindly...in all seriousness) you did misinterpret why I said the college recruitment forums should be disbanded if the AI forums were.

One of the major arguments against the AI is that someone could "possibly" get inaccurate information, because they don't know who they are getting it from. They also said that it wasn't an "official" forum.

The sorority recruitment forum has the exact same issues. How does a college women know she is getting accurate information on the board? If she posts in a GLO she is interested in, how does she even know that the posts she is reading are from actual members, or imposters?

The sorority recruitment forum isn't official either, so why are these women so readily helped (and if they are interested in a specific sorority, they are often assisted in finding their way home with recs solicited on the internet, etc).

Why aren't they told that they need to have these discussions with their recruitment counselor? Isn't that what she is there for? To explain how recruitment works, give wardrobe advice, etc?

I don't see how the two are different. Both are not official.

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Whoa! Wait just a second here. These are OUR organizations that are involved. How can you say that just because I'm anti-AI I shouldn't post? That's even MORE of a reason to post. This forum and what may or may not happen to it will have an effect on our organizations.

Who do you think makes up the AA? WE do!

Because people that are anti-AI don't seem to be causing anything but fights.

Considering that the potential AI does not disclose the sorority they are seeking until after an invitation has been extended, YOU don't have the authorization to speak for an organization WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH ORGANIZATION THEY ARE JOINING! NPC does not have a general AI policy, so any "advice" you would contribute, as someone who is anti-AI, would be plain discouraging, and what applies to your organization, may not apply to another.