Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[PenguinTrax]

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

I really like this idea.

[Jen]

Originally Posted by OTW

I really like this idea.

I like it too.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

PT, I think while it's a good compromise, it still leaves everything out there.

For example, there will be people who still come around and read all the threads and then post something like I've mentioned before along the lines of "I've been reading all these threads for the past 3 months and now I'm finally going to post. I'm so excited that AI is an option because I didn't even know it existed before and I didn't rush in college and now I want to join my sorority home. I've contacted 10 NPC groups and will name them after the constellations in the sky" or whatever.

It still being there still drives that whole market-place which is not the intent of AI.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

PT, I think while it's a good compromise, it still leaves everything out there.

For example, there will be people who still come around and read all the threads and then post something like I've mentioned before along the lines of "I've been reading all these threads for the past 3 months and now I'm finally going to post. I'm so excited that AI is an option because I didn't even know it existed before and I didn't rush in college and now I want to join my sorority home. I've contacted 10 NPC groups and will name them after the constellations in the sky" or whatever.

It still being there still drives that whole market-place which is not the intent of AI.

But if the "rules" are changed for the forum and the rules specifically state that you may not post your "story" until after you have received the invite or have been initiated, then the moderators would have it within their authority to delete the thread, correct?

[PenguinTrax]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

But if the "rules" are changed for the forum and the rules specifically state that you may not post your "story" until after you have received the invite or have been initiated, then the moderators would have it within their authority to delete the thread, correct?

Correct. The mods would PM that person and let them know to feel free to post in the GC forums, however information about their AI process should only be posted when and if they have been invited to join a particular group. Requests for information, etc. would be removed and posters would be directed to (inter)national offices.

[Adelphean]

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

Correct. The mods would PM that person and let them know to feel free to post in the GC forums, however information about their AI process should only be posted when and if they have been invited to join a particular group. Requests for information, etc. would be removed and posters would be directed to (inter)national offices.

What does John have to say about your wanting to DENY a registered member the right to post, and not only that, but a member with a legitimate question/issue?

Secondly, although I would prefer to keep the forum, I don't support a filtered forum. If you're going to play all-knowing ,Omnipotent forum dictator, then we should not have a seperate forum for AI. GC will just have to welcome questions about/regarding AI on other forums, possibly a forum where you are not a moderator.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

What does John have to say about your wanting to DENY a registered member the right to post, and not only that, but a member with a legitimate question/issue?

Secondly, although I would prefer to keep the forum, I don't support a filtered forum. If you're going to play all-knowing ,Omnipotent forum dictator, then we should not have a seperate forum for AI. GC will just have to welcome questions about/regarding AI on other forums, possibly a forum where you are not a moderator.

I don't really see how what PT is proposing is any different than how the D9 moderate their own forums.

If someone goes to their forum and asks membership questions, the OP is sent a message by the mod, the post is deleted, and that's the end of the story.

You don't see sorority shopping posts in their forums

And as far as I can tell, John doesn't have any issues with the way their forums are modded.

Even with the proposed solution, I don't see a need for the AI forum for the reasons stated already by so many others.

There really shouldn't be a "story" ... like adpiucf mentioned, there should not be a "Journey" or "road to AI". AI membership is extended, not inquired about.

[texas*princess]

Just to kind of add to what's already been said... if the forum is going to operate the way PT suggests *might* happen, there needs to be a crystal clear definition of what is OK to ask and what is not.

For example:

"What do I wear?" = good?

and I found this:

"My question is both of the e-mailed responses that I have got, say that I have to be sponsored....but how does this happen if you don't know someone who is already in?" = bad - this is the point of so many posters already.

[Adelphean]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

I don't really see how what PT is proposing is any different than how the D9 moderate their own forums.

If someone goes to their forum and asks membership questions, the OP is sent a message by the mod, the post is deleted, and that's the end of the story.

And as far as I can tell, John doesn't have any issues with the way their forums are modded.

AI membership is extended, not inquired about.

I am not a D9 member. As such, I do not read their forums.

As far as John and the forums are concerned, the D9 forums are not 'all inclusive' forums, they are org specific. What's posted on their board is essentially their business. The AI forum is GreekChat-wide business. John may or may not have a problem with this. I certainly don't think he runs GC with his own money so only a "select few" can post what *they* deem as acceptable.

Obviously your last statement can't be completely true, as many who are AIs inquired a/b becoming an AI, they were not just 'extended' a bid out of nowhere.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

What does John have to say about your wanting to DENY a registered member the right to post, and not only that, but a member with a legitimate question/issue?

Secondly, although I would prefer to keep the forum, I don't support a filtered forum. If you're going to play all-knowing ,Omnipotent forum dictator, then we should not have a seperate forum for AI. GC will just have to welcome questions about/regarding AI on other forums, possibly a forum where you are not a moderator.

Oh come off it. This is a chatboard, not a press convention. Boohoo if people aren't given their 100% free speech. I don't see anyone forcing anyone else to be here. There are certain things that should not be discussed. Period. You act like DENYING someone the right to post is the end of the world. What's the matter? Think that they won't be getting their money's worth?? Oh, wait, GC is free...

Please tell me, why MUST GC welcome questions about/regarding AI??? You sound like someone else we know who's so gungho for AI shoppers, knowing that shoppers aren't welcome in your org. It's so easy to sit and encourage every loony that comes through here, knowing that it's nearly impossible that they'll join your org.

It's especially laughable that this response is coming from someone who stated that she wished her org didn't even DO AI.

[valkyrie]

I still don't see why there is any reason to have a forum just for AI discussion. If somebody wants to discuss her successful AI pursuit, why can't that go in the "Alumni" forum, or the organization-specific forum?

I know this was mentioned earlier -- there aren't forums for people who joined sororities through COB or for people who joined through formal rush. For real -- after you're initiated, you're a member, period. Why should there be a forum for people who joined their organization in any particular way -- especially considering how VERY FEW people join sororities through AI?

[PenguinTrax]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

What does John have to say about your wanting to DENY a registered member the right to post, and not only that, but a member with a legitimate question/issue?

Secondly, although I would prefer to keep the forum, I don't support a filtered forum. If you're going to play all-knowing ,Omnipotent forum dictator, then we should not have a seperate forum for AI. GC will just have to welcome questions about/regarding AI on other forums, possibly a forum where you are not a moderator.

John has no problems with it. It is no different than a registered spammer posting and having it deleted or a registered user posting a ritual secret. As far as someone else moderating this forum, no-one else wanted it.

Furthermore, I do not appreciate being called a Omnipotent forum dictator. You don't know me from Adam - how dare you impunge my good name (or Carnations). I have been a valuable member of the GC community for 7 years now and my ability to moderate the forums to which I am assigned has very rarely garnered anything but praise. I'd like to see you do this unpaid, and often, thankless job.

AI is a membership function that is different for every group. GC has no right to hand out information on the process - GC is not affiliated with the NPC, IFC, NPHC, NALFO or any other oversight organization. GC is not a democracy - it is a free service offered up to the Fraternity & Sorority Community. It can be shut down at any time and its rules are subject to constant review and modification. If you don't like how a forum, or GC, is run, feel free to go elsewhere.

[KSigkid]

I understand that moderators do this for free. I appreciate the fact that the forum couldn't run without moderators. However, I don't think this makes moderators free from criticism. The idea that moderators (or anyone on this board) is free from criticism is, well, laughable.

I didn't see Adelphean as "impunging" anyone's good name, beyond disagreeing with how the forum is moderated.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

John has no problems with it. It is no different than a registered spammer posting and having it deleted or a registered user posting a ritual secret. As far as someone else moderating this forum, no-one else wanted it.

Furthermore, I do not appreciate being called a Omnipotent forum dictator. You don't know me from Adam - how dare you impunge my good name (or Carnations). I have been a valuable member of the GC community for 7 years now and my ability to moderate the forums to which I am assigned has very rarely garnered anything but praise. I'd like to see you do this unpaid, and often, thankless job.

AI is a membership function that is different for every group. GC has no right to hand out information on the process - GC is not affiliated with the NPC, IFC, NPHC, NALFO or any other oversight organization. GC is not a democracy - it is a free service offered up to the Fraternity & Sorority Community. It can be shut down at any time and its rules are subject to constant review and modification. If you don't like how a forum, or GC, is run, feel free to go elsewhere.

Well said PT.