Can National Shut Down a Chapter Because of it's Racial Breakdown?

[Kansas City]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that in the case the OP laid out, the chapter does not agree with the national org, but if they tell the national org to go screw, then they're without a national affiliate - and not all campuses will allow a local group to stay on without national affiliation. Not to mention if this was a sorority, the women could definitely never join another NPC group.

I don't think deactivation of one member will solve the problem here, it's that the chapter believes the ideals entail one thing and the national HQ (or certain people at HQ) believe another.

Maybe I don't agree with what ABC HQ is doing, but on my campus, ABC means something that I am proud of. Why would I want to throw that away?

I agree and did not intend to imply that I would join another Greek or NPC organization. I was thinking about other campus organizations (honor society, volunteer group, sports team, etc.) and my advise was what I would personally do. I would chalk the situation up to me personally making an error in judgment somewhere along the way. I would definitely still be friends with the people in the organization (no one can stop me from being friends with someone), I just would not personally want to be associated with a NATIONAL group whose ideals did not match my own. I'd rather be a proud part of another campus organization.

[33girl]

But there's a difference between the national group's ideals as written in the history, constitution and bylaws, and the people running the group.

"George W is an a-hole and doesn't understand the Constitution, but I am still proud to be an American."

Like that. I don't think there have been many people who've renounced their citizenship because they didn't like Bush (Clinton, FDR, etc etc etc).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But there's a difference between the national group's ideals as written in the history, constitution and bylaws, and the people running the group.

"George W is an a-hole and doesn't understand the Constitution, but I am still proud to be an American."

Like that. I don't think there have been many people who've renounced their citizenship because they didn't like Bush (Clinton, FDR, etc etc etc).

I agree with this basic logic that also applies to GLOs.

Only short-sighted moronic idiots moved to Canada when Dubya was re-elected. There allegedly were a few.

[Kansas City]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But there's a difference between the national group's ideals as written in the history, constitution and bylaws, and the people running the group.

"George W is an a-hole and doesn't understand the Constitution, but I am still proud to be an American."

Like that. I don't think there have been many people who've renounced their citizenship because they didn't like Bush (Clinton, FDR, etc etc etc).

Agreed ... but (referring to the OP situation) somewhere in my college career I choose to belong to a local chapter because of their ideals. (Although I am a proud American, citizenship of birth is not a choice and I could, although unlikely, choose to move to Canada if Obama is elected. ) Perhaps the chapter did not represent National ideals well during recruitment? I'm just saying that I can love being around people from the AB chapter of XYZ without having to associate any longer with XYZ or the ideals of that national organization. Life is too short to be associated with a group that makes you unhappy and frankly, why would XYZ want to keep me around if I were unhappy or not participating anymore?

[Senusret I]

Most of us just read the first post and learned what it was all about.

[DSTCHAOS]

I actually don't know what this thread's about. I've been responding about everything but the original post. LOL.

[SWTXBelle]

I'm just curious - how does nationals KNOW the "colour of hair" of the members of our mythical GLO? Is that really put on the membership form? Or are they looking at composites?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I've been responding about everything but the original post. LOL.

Absolutely unheard of. Who would think you would do something like that? Crazy upside down world.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Absolutely unheard of. Who would think you would do something like that? Crazy upside down world.

Thanks for joining me in this endeavor.

[preciousjeni]

Maybe other members in the chapter were disgruntled and brought it to the NO.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Maybe they have somebody do chapter visits every now and then.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Maybe they just take a look at the names on the member roster.

Let's say this is an Asian fraternity, there's a difference between Michael Jones and Hun Lo.

[Psi U MC Vito]

True. But even then it can take a while. It took Psi U a couple of years to realize that one of our chapters was initiating females.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

True. But even then it can take a while. It took Psi U a couple of years to realize that one of our chapters was initiating females.

With APO, in the years prior to going co-ed, they would masculinize the names (Janet Lee becomes James Lee) or just go with first initials. And this was a very fast change relatively speaking, I don't think any of the chapters pledged women illegally prior to 1967 when we stopped requiring scouting background and by 1974, allowing women to be affiliate members was probably the only thing that kept the fraternity from tearing itself apart (women were allowed as full members in 1976, chapter option; 30 years later it was no longer chapter option)

[dreamseeker]

i wonder what happened with the OP....

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

True. But even then it can take a while. It took Psi U a couple of years to realize that one of our chapters was initiating females.

lol wow.