Can National Shut Down a Chapter Because of it's Racial Breakdown?

[Kansas City]

If I selected and was initiated into a chapter/organization based on their ideals and then the national organization wanted to close the chapter because of these ideals, I think that I would want to re-examine my association with said chapter/organization. Perhaps the chapter/organization is not really what you thought it was or is changing in a direction to which you no longer agree. I personally would consider de-activation and look at other camups organizations to get involved in. Why waste your time with people and organizations that no longer represent who you are or who you want to be?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kansas City

If I selected and was initiated into a chapter/organization based on their ideals and then the national organization wanted to close the chapter because of these ideals, I think that I would want to re-examine my association with said chapter/organization. Perhaps the chapter/organization is not really what you thought it was or is changing in a direction to which you no longer agree. I personally would consider de-activation and look at other camups organizations to get involved in. Why waste your time with people and organizations that no longer represent who you are or who you want to be?

I think that in the case the OP laid out, the chapter does not agree with the national org, but if they tell the national org to go screw, then they're without a national affiliate - and not all campuses will allow a local group to stay on without national affiliation. Not to mention if this was a sorority, the women could definitely never join another NPC group.

I don't think deactivation of one member will solve the problem here, it's that the chapter believes the ideals entail one thing and the national HQ (or certain people at HQ) believe another.

Maybe I don't agree with what ABC HQ is doing, but on my campus, ABC means something that I am proud of. Why would I want to throw that away?

[Kansas City]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that in the case the OP laid out, the chapter does not agree with the national org, but if they tell the national org to go screw, then they're without a national affiliate - and not all campuses will allow a local group to stay on without national affiliation. Not to mention if this was a sorority, the women could definitely never join another NPC group.

I don't think deactivation of one member will solve the problem here, it's that the chapter believes the ideals entail one thing and the national HQ (or certain people at HQ) believe another.

Maybe I don't agree with what ABC HQ is doing, but on my campus, ABC means something that I am proud of. Why would I want to throw that away?

I agree and did not intend to imply that I would join another Greek or NPC organization. I was thinking about other campus organizations (honor society, volunteer group, sports team, etc.) and my advise was what I would personally do. I would chalk the situation up to me personally making an error in judgment somewhere along the way. I would definitely still be friends with the people in the organization (no one can stop me from being friends with someone), I just would not personally want to be associated with a NATIONAL group whose ideals did not match my own. I'd rather be a proud part of another campus organization.

[33girl]

But there's a difference between the national group's ideals as written in the history, constitution and bylaws, and the people running the group.

"George W is an a-hole and doesn't understand the Constitution, but I am still proud to be an American."

Like that. I don't think there have been many people who've renounced their citizenship because they didn't like Bush (Clinton, FDR, etc etc etc).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But there's a difference between the national group's ideals as written in the history, constitution and bylaws, and the people running the group.

"George W is an a-hole and doesn't understand the Constitution, but I am still proud to be an American."

Like that. I don't think there have been many people who've renounced their citizenship because they didn't like Bush (Clinton, FDR, etc etc etc).

I agree with this basic logic that also applies to GLOs.

Only short-sighted moronic idiots moved to Canada when Dubya was re-elected. There allegedly were a few.

[Kansas City]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But there's a difference between the national group's ideals as written in the history, constitution and bylaws, and the people running the group.

"George W is an a-hole and doesn't understand the Constitution, but I am still proud to be an American."

Like that. I don't think there have been many people who've renounced their citizenship because they didn't like Bush (Clinton, FDR, etc etc etc).

Agreed ... but (referring to the OP situation) somewhere in my college career I choose to belong to a local chapter because of their ideals. (Although I am a proud American, citizenship of birth is not a choice and I could, although unlikely, choose to move to Canada if Obama is elected. ) Perhaps the chapter did not represent National ideals well during recruitment? I'm just saying that I can love being around people from the AB chapter of XYZ without having to associate any longer with XYZ or the ideals of that national organization. Life is too short to be associated with a group that makes you unhappy and frankly, why would XYZ want to keep me around if I were unhappy or not participating anymore?

[Tom Earp]

A person joins a GLO for their Ideals.

They also first join a chapter for the members!


So, which is the most important reason?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

A person joins a GLO for their Ideals.

They also first join a chapter for the members!


So, which is the most important reason?

That depends if you're talking before or after Tom Earp was an Active.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kansas City

Perhaps the chapter did not represent National ideals well during recruitment? I'm just saying that I can love being around people from the AB chapter of XYZ without having to associate any longer with XYZ or the ideals of that national organization.

it's NOT the ideals that are faulty, it's the people running the show at HQ/on national council that are faulty.

I mean, (sorry to bring this up ladies) I doubt Z Phi B has anywhere in their ideals that it's a good idea to contest an election and put it out all over the internet.

And if it's a choice between putting up with some jackasses in office and keeping your charter, or surrendering it to "take a stand" and being homeless and chapterless, most college students will choose the latter.