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[33girl]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

At first I too thought using the word fraternity was odd, but when it was explained to me that a sorority had a men's organization help them get founded it made sense to me and I was always proud of the fact that we were a "womens fraternity. That's not to deman any other group, I just thought the reason was neat.

But the reason is UNTRUE. That's what everyone is trying to get across. I am a member of a sorority and no men had anything to do with our founding.

Just because ZTA didn't want to get confused with the Hampden Sydney groupie sorority or whoever the heck they were, does not mean that EVERY group called a sorority had men involved in any way in their creation. It's like if a brothel were called the "Majorette Manor" and the girls called themselves "majorettes" and the real baton-twiriling majorettes in the area decided to call themselves "Twirl Squad" to avoid confusion. It doesn't mean all majorettes are hookers just because that ONE group decided to not use the word.

Thanks a hell of a lot GroovePhi62 for taking us down this path for the umpteenth time, bwah.

[SthrnZeta]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But the reason is UNTRUE. That's what everyone is trying to get across. I am a member of a sorority and no men had anything to do with our founding.

Thanks a hell of a lot GroovePhi62 for taking us down this path for the umpteenth time, bwah.

I know that NOW. All I was saying is that this is what I was taught as a NM and that's what has been taught and is still being taught. Trust me, I appreciate the clarifications.

And I also refer to Zeta as my sorority to non-Greeks because it's just easier. I'm sure most of us are guilty of that who belong to womens fraternities, lol.

[SWTXBelle]

British spelling, NutBrnHair - and hey, I like me some vowels!

[ValpoKD]

First of all, congratulations to Scandia for joining the sisterhood of Theta Phi Alpha! That is wonderful news, and I hope your membership brings a lifetime of wonderful memories!

For the topic that this thread has morphed into...If I remember correctly from the history of Kappa Delta, KD was first called a fraternity. A number of years after the founding (almost for sure after the founding of Sigma and Zeta), the formal name was changed to sorority. I noticed this as a collegian when reading the history and found it to be interesting. As I do not have a copy of the history nearby, I cannot say for certain the exact year. Perhaps one of my sisters can check this out.

I do think it is so interesting to learn about the different organizations' histories. Such a fascinating aspect of higher education.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by ValpoKD

If I remember correctly from the history of Kappa Delta, KD was first called a fraternity. A number of years after the founding (almost for sure after the founding of Sigma and Zeta), the formal name was changed to sorority.

That's right - I forgot! Scratch my last speculation!

I think the change was made in 1906. I don't know any real background info though... like, why fraternity was used in the first place or why we changed to sorority.

So sorry for the continued hijack, Scandia.

[navane]

To further throw a wrench into the works, if I recall my sorority history correctly, Gamma Phi Beta was founded as a "SOCIETY". So, we weren't a fraternity *or* sorority to start with! It was after the founding of Beta chapter that the term "sorority" was coined. Therefore, in the case of Gamma Phi Beta, it makes it even less likely that the word "sorority" referred to having had a man's help.

In spite of the slight hoohah we've caused, I do find everyone's contributions to the topic to be interesting.

.....Kelly

Originally Posted by navane

To further throw a wrench into the works, if I recall my sorority history correctly, Gamma Phi Beta was founded as a "SOCIETY". So, we weren't a fraternity *or* sorority to start with! It was after the founding of Beta chapter that the term "sorority" was coined. Therefore, in the case of Gamma Phi Beta, it makes it even less likely that the word "sorority" referred to having had a man's help.

In spite of the slight hoohah we've caused, I do find everyone's contributions to the topic to be interesting.

.....Kelly

Society? Wow, didn't know that!

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=13942

Just in case anyone wants to read recent Gamma Phi/SK talk (and possibly take this discussion elsewhere so we don't further derail poor Scandia's AI thread). It's funny how this women's fraternity/sorority talk has been going on for years.

[If it means anything, I posted a link in that thread to another thread. A lot of posts went missing in that thread so that's why some of the discussion doesn't make any sense]

[navane]

Originally Posted by OTW

Society? Wow, didn't know that!

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=13942

Just in case anyone wants to read recent Gamma Phi/SK talk (and possibly take this discussion elsewhere so we don't further derail poor Scandia's AI thread). It's funny how this women's fraternity/sorority talk has been going on for years.

Cool...thanks OTW! In that thread you just posted, I saw that one of my sisters also mentioned that we were a "society" first. I didn't mean to derail Scandia's thread - I don't get wound up too often and I guess this was one of those ocassions.

.....Kelly

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by navane

To further throw a wrench into the works, if I recall my sorority history correctly, Gamma Phi Beta was founded as a "SOCIETY".

I'm not a Gamma Phi, but I'm pretty sure I've read that somewhere also, that "society" came first and "sorority" was to follow for GPhiB.

On Day 1, Delta Gamma was actually called the "Delta Gamma Club" by our 3 Founders. The name "Delta Gamma Fraternity" came a bit later on.
http://www.deltagamma.org/from_the_o...ute_book.shtml