GEORGE IS THE PRESIDENT ELECT!!!!

[Franny Granny]

Can someone explain to me a few things...my old mind is growing feeble. All of this confusion has left me a little peakish...

Will someone PLEASE point out to me where this allegied name calling went on!!!! I want to know! The perpetrators should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!

Will someone PLEASE tell me when it became a sin or childish to announce that you are going to move out of the country and start a life abroad.

Will someone PLEASE tell me when it's wrong to state your opinion about whatever current event going on without a degree in this, that, or the other thing to back it up.

Will someone PLEASE let EVERYBODY know that "Opinions are like NOSES, everybody has one".

And I want to know WHY no pro Bushers have come in and given their opinion about the "something rotten in Florida", that goes by the name of JEB BUSH. Is that whole scenario the least bit fishy to you? IMHO it's fishier than 5 dirty hookers in a fish market on a fish fry friday....eating fish.

[Little32]

Actually, Mama Buddha (sure hope I spelled that right) and I were just recalling what happened the last time a Bush was in office. It was not a pretty sight.
Whenever someone puts up numbers that allude to Bush's many shortcomings, someone--I ain't naming no names--wants to mention how statistics can be manipulated so easily. Check the beginning of the thread for that.
Franny Granny: You are cracking me up. That fish thing was hilarious.

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by Little32:
Whenever someone puts up numbers that allude to Bush's many shortcomings, someone--I ain't naming no names--wants to mention how statistics can be manipulated so easily.

You can name names - do you not agree that stats can be manipulated? I don't understand how people can automatically assume that Jeb has something to do with Florida, but not realize that is is a fact that stats can be manipulated. I think Gore and many of his supporters are grabbing at straws - during this whole prediction thing when the media had said Bush would carry the popular vote, and Gore the EC, Gore never once mentioned abolishing the EC. It has always been a part of Bush's campaign. But whoa...wait a minute, now Gore is all about getting the EC abolished quick fast and in a hurry - which just goes to show that you don't go changing the rules in the middle of the game just because things aren't going your way. There are conspiracies for everything - including JFK Jr. being murdered so "they" only have Caroline left...once "they" kill her off then all the "secret" JFK documents can be released

If you want to look at a conpiracy record, how about all the conspiracies during the past 8 years? Or do you really and truly believe that Gore had no idea that money was dirty when he got it? At least if Bush does lose this election I will be able to continue fighting for what I believe in - I have more pride than to sit around trying to blame the sun, moon, and stars for what could've been.

I did see on our news last night that they interviewed several Palm Beach seniors, and they were totally PO'd about the stereotypes that they're all old and senile and couldn't read the ballot (and many of them did vote for Gore). They also talked about how if anything screwed this election up, it was the media reporting exit polls so early that discouraged a lot of voters, especially on the west coast. I would agree there.

Win or lose we are living history here - I definitely don't think we'll ever have to worry about an electoral college after this! Its funny because the first couple of days everyone was glued to the tv and radio...now its become the joke of the day: "Anybody know if we have a president yet?"

Its not a sin to move to Europe or anywhere else. If you don't want to be here anymore than go - you have that right. Its just like us Southerners who get tired of hearing from Yankees how great it is up north, how much better this is, how much faster that is - if its so much better, and it makes you happy, then head on out - we "ain't" stopping ya!

[moe.ron]

My christmass wish has come true early. I had hope that both parties will embarass itself. And it came true!!!!!

by the way, democracy is for sale.
Agents - Democrat Party
Republican Party

Vote Green, Vote Third Party.
Vote for Green is Vote for Democracy.

[juniorgrrl]

ACTUALLY...don't applaud Clinton/Gore for the economy's success...I think that we should all be thanking Alan Greenspan for that!

[mccoyred]

My feeling EXACTLY. Each and every individual who exercises their RIGHT to vote has a RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that their vote is ACCURATE, COMPLETE and CORRECT. If a voter doesn't understand the ballot or process, they should ask (more than once if necessary). I beleive that ALL incomplete and unreadable ballots should be invalidated and thrown out, period.

Originally posted by 33girl:
My mother was a party committeewoman for years, so I practically grew up at the polls. There are at least 3 "watchers" from each party there, plus the officials of the election board. There is also a mock-up of the ballot outside the voting booths. If you don't understand it, you can ASK! If you screw up, you can notify the board and have your ballot destroyed or your vote invalidated. And if you are elderly and/or have bad vision, you can get special permission for someone to go in the voting booth with you.

I don't care if you're 18 or 118 - if the help is there and you don't ask questions when you have them, don't complain if things don't come out the way you wanted. Ignorance is absolutely, positively NOT an excuse, and if you think it is, you shouldn't be voting.

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[mgdzkm433]

Arya, I'm with ya!

It seems that the 2 basic arguments on this board are abortion and death penalty. A majority seem to want a pro choice, anti death penalty president. Why would you vote for Bush or Gore? Ralph Nadar fits that bill! He also wants to raise minimum wage immediatly, he wants to clean up Indian Reservations, He wants to up the enforcment on environmental issues--including the clean air and clean water acts. How could any of that be bad?

[Corbin Dallas]

Originally posted by mgdzkm433:
Arya, I'm with ya!

It seems that the 2 basic arguments on this board are abortion and death penalty. A majority seem to want a pro choice, anti death penalty president. Why would you vote for Bush or Gore? Ralph Nadar fits that bill! He also wants to raise minimum wage immediatly, he wants to clean up Indian Reservations, He wants to up the enforcment on environmental issues--including the clean air and clean water acts. How could any of that be bad?

In case some of you haven't been around, the election is over. There's no point in campaining for Nader anymore.

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

[Monique]

thank GOD for the recount..if Bush wins then we(AFRICAN-AMERICANS) are in big trouble

[Corbin Dallas]

Originally posted by Monique:
thank GOD for the recount..if Bush wins then we(AFRICAN-AMERICANS) are in big trouble

Why, does bush have a plan to reinstate slavery or re-segregate whites and blacks? I guess I'm just trying to say I've heard that statement often, but I have never heard of any anti-minority plan. Please give a good example of why you (AFRICAN-AMERICANS) are in big trouble. Thanks.

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

[moe.ron]

The presidential race might be over. But the fight to get democracy back from special interest just started. As a former Democrat turn Green (I'm a progressive liberal and proud of it.) it disgust me to see my former party look more like the Republican and the Republican look more like the National Party of South Africa.
"Ralph Nader didn't loose the election for Al Gore, Al Gore lost the election for Al Gore."

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“If you know anyone who got high on industrial hemp, tell the National Science Foundation and you’ll get a prize for the most unlikely scientific discovery ever. George Bush’s father was saved by a parachute made of industrial hemp."
-Ralph Nader

[mgdzkm433]

That's right, the election is over. My father, a devoted republican said to me over the weekend that if he knew then what he knows now, he would have even voted for Nader. I was just making the comment about Nader because he, just like all parties that AREN'T republican or democrat, got overlooked.


I'm not the only one on this board stating their opinions about candidates, I don't see why I'm the only one that needs to stop talking about theirs. Just because my candidate isn't going to win doesn't mean that I have to stop talking about what a good president he would have made. And, you never know, what I have to say about him might spark people to vote for him in 2004 if he's running--which I hope so. Campagning is never over.

[This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited November 14, 2000).]

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by mgdzkm433:
Campagning is never over.

AMEN TO THAT! I don't think you should stop talking about him, he's looking better and better as this thing progresses! I'm just glad a certain sense of civility has returned to this thread - so don't worry about that other comment. None of us have stopped talking about our candidates (although I'm way past tired with this whole mess)!

Lifesaver - I hear you on the Bingo thing!

If any of you listen to Bob&Tom (syndicated morning radio show) you may have heard the Dick Mango trio singing a little tribute to this whole thing - quite hilarious!

Also, if anyone has seen the email FLASH where Bush/Gore are rapping and dancing - too funny! If you haven't seen it, you can email me, and if I like you (kidding ), I'll send the attachment to you. It is so freaking funny!



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"Alpha Chi Omega - If you only had 2 wishes, what would your second one be?"

[Corbin Dallas]

Originally posted by mgdzkm433:
That's right, the election is over. My father, a devoted republican said to me over the weekend that if he knew then what he knows now, he would have even voted for Nader. I was just making the comment about Nader because he, just like all parties that AREN'T republican or democrat, got overlooked.


I'm not the only one on this board stating their opinions about candidates, I don't see why I'm the only one that needs to stop talking about theirs. Just because my candidate isn't going to win doesn't mean that I have to stop talking about what a good president he would have made. And, you never know, what I have to say about him might spark people to vote for him in 2004 if he's running--which I hope so. Campagning is never over.

[This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited November 14, 2000).]

Actually, my comment was geared toward everyone. I don't see the point in discussing the merits of each candidate now, unless they're going to have a do-over Sorry, no personal foul meant. Of course Nader will run again, as will half of the other 3rd party candidates that have been running for years. I honestly don't see a change in the 2 party system for another couple of decades, or a MAJOR problem with the two current major parties, and I mean worse than what we're going through now.

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

[mgdzkm433]

Actually Corbin, I think this is a turning point. At least in my opinion. Nadar failed to get his 5%, but I think a lot of people are now realizing the problems with the 2 major parties. I have a lot of hope for the green party. A majority of his voters are between 18 and 34, yes that is a lot of years, however, it says to me that our young generation is actually THINKING. It indicates to me that we are becoming more concerned with our environment and we want the government to start taking a stand. I really think this particular incident with FL will really be the last straw for some voters. Even if they remain registered as democrat or republican, I think they will definatly start to at least LOOK at a 3rd party candidate in the future. I think this definatly means that neither of the 2 candidates will be elected, or re-elected in 4 years. I figure that the Republicans and Democrats will be fishing for new candidates in 4 years.