Dissing other Greeks in step shows. Good 4 greek life or bad?

[djjukebox]

2 statements and I'm gone..

#1. Non-Greeks normally see Greeks doing service when 'they themselves' are also doing service or are in the same organizations/at the same causes (breast cancer awareness/walks, tutoring, helping Katrina victims, etc).

Those non-Greeks that aren't service oriented at school won't see those things and might assume they're not taking place. It's also on the Greeks to promote the service as if it was a party (even though, Bibically.. you're not supposed to really 'big up' yourself when doing service.. but that's neither here nor there for this thread).

#2. Centaur... there's a time and a place for everything. I never would expect any Man to be a punk. But your probate show is not the time to throw darts. And that goes for any org. The main problem with modern day Undergrad Greeks is that after they finish pleadging, their Prophyte stop teaching the culture of the Fraternity and Sorority to them. They just sorta teach them the challenges.. a few Marches/steps and turn them loose.

Which has ended up in these not fully taught Greeks losing a lot of traditions and making up ish as they go.

ie: crossing hand signs, unity steps (WTF), unity calls (ditto), Fraternities doing Sorority steps (Super Gay... at a stepshow, if I wanna see an AKA step, the AKA's should be doing it). Vice Versa for the Sororities... You all have rich stepping histories. Do your S#!t !!! Cause you represent yourself better than anybody else.

I don't need to share a 'sign, step, handcall' with you to call you my brother/friend/patnah and definitely not to 'show unity'.

I can (and do) show unity with you when we do joint service to help our campus and community and support each others events without tearing each other down.

Now.. there is a place for clowning and jokes.. and it's called your "Yard Show" or just any other non-formal time you feel like stepping/showing out.

[NuThetaNupe]

Even thought I may not have agreed with the pro show, I do feel it is the organization's decision on what they include in the show. If that means insults and disses to other BGLO then so be it. It's their pro show and they can do whatever they want in it.

I am just glad my pro show wasn't like the one we are referring to.

[ucprincess]

Originally posted by djjukebox
2 statements and I'm gone..

#1. Non-Greeks normally see Greeks doing service when 'they themselves' are also doing service or are in the same organizations/at the same causes (breast cancer awareness/walks, tutoring, helping Katrina victims, etc).

Those non-Greeks that aren't service oriented at school won't see those things and might assume they're not taking place. It's also on the Greeks to promote the service as if it was a party (even though, Bibically.. you're not supposed to really 'big up' yourself when doing service.. but that's neither here nor there for this thread).

I do attend the service events that the greek organizations attend, or even put on themselves...not to put my face out there for those organizations, but because I have been service oriented since i was young being affiliated back then and now with groups such as the Order of Eastern Stars PHA, Girls' Assembly, Daughter of Isis, and etc., you get the opportunity to do those things.So there are ppl who DO see these organizations doing their services and DO volunteer THEIR time for the cause to help them such as myself. Bt I understand what you are saying, that most of the time "non greeks" dont see EVERYTHING...but you have to look at it from the outside in, if the majority of the time the outside see drama and chaos within these organizations, what do you expect "US" to think??

[K.O.T.S]

MeezDiscreet, djjukebox ya'll get out of my head. I could not have made your points any better. Going back to the original topic, this is why I am mostly if not completely against dissing other greeks at shows. It attracts prospects for the wrong reasons. If we act 'gangsta' at our shows we attract 'gangsta' prospects and so on with shows where our chapters act ignorant, angry, and immature. like it or not, our social events are our biggest recruiter b/c that is what non-Greeks see and remember most.

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally posted by K.O.T.S
MeezDiscreet, djjukebox ya'll get out of my head. I could not have made your points any better. Going back to the original topic, this is why I am mostly if not completely against dissing other greeks at shows. It attracts prospects for the wrong reasons. If we act 'gangsta' at our shows we attract 'gangsta' prospects and so on with shows where our chapters act ignorant, angry, and immature. like it or not, our social events are our biggest recruiter b/c that is what non-Greeks see and remember most.

i want you to know that i'm high-fiving you right now!!! ESPECIALLY the part in red...i mean CRIMSON!

[Proverbs31]

Originally posted by OhioCentaur
Well your probate show is about you... and yes we did do what we planned to do for us, HOWEVER, DO NOT sit there and think anyone who has any type of backbone and pride in themselves would sit there and allow anyone else to walk all over them. You old heads... and i'm only speaking to those to whom this concerns... are BEHIND times! Now probate shows are all about dissing people who have dissed you during the year. We dogged the Kappas... We dogged the Sigmas... We dogged the Ques... We dogged the Alphas but you wanna know the amazing thing about it... I still went out that night shared a drink with an Alpha, clowned wit a Kappa, made plans to hoop with a Sigma, and got nothin but love from the Zetas. It was personal but thats a price you pay for throwing that type of show. I refuse to allow the disrespect and disregard to go unchallenged. WE STEPPED ON YOUR TOES... STEP UP OR SHUT THE F*CK UP! its that simple. I'm tired of the crying and the playing innocent on the internet. Your guilty. You cheated during the stroll competition, and you've disrespected us long enough. We are done with the games! I'm sorry you dont like it but we pledged IOTA not dst, apa or anything else. You do your little dirt and dont expect to be called on it. THESE OWTLAWS will call you out.

And for the record proverbs... speak with some TRUE virtue... you know yall rigged the show end of story, the whole crowd knew it. Thats why they booed... but oh well if you care to try to hide the fact or use ignorance as an excuse do that... but in Iotaland Excuses arent acceptable...

David, I am not and will not go back and forth with you regarding the party walk competition. The matter has been discussed with members of your organization several times. You are free to believe what you will.

And yes, I do think it was ignorant to disrespect the NPHC as you did. I'm quite confident that shouting out "F___ PHC" in the middle of the show did nothing to better greek relations on this campus.

[Proverbs31]

Originally posted by MeezDiscreet
then, sir, what you have is not a probate. it's a yard show with the new members.why don't you talk to some of your old heads and find out what a real probate is.



it sounds as though you're making an excuse for the "probate." and insults are quite similar to excuses in that they are monuments of nothingness as well...

DISCREET OUT!

Ditto to both soror!

[MaKaveli2]

My First Reply on this site: lol
Dissin other frats in step shows and show are cool when it is all in good fun. I feel that it should never go personal or really speak of any experiances that actually happen. If you are going to dis another greek organization just talk about the sterotypes of the organization. But dont be ignorant and actually call out the names of people infront of the whole campus. It is suppose to be all in good fun but once u go out to destroy someones reputation that is going to far. I feel that the show that is being discussed was more about other people's business and organizations then actually about them and their organization. Dont they have anything they learned about themselves.

YO!

[Proverbs31]

^^
Hey Spec, Welcome to GC!

[OhioCentaur]

Thank you Mary but i feel i will believe what i believe WITHOUT your opinion first off secondly, you are promoting this "campus unity" on the internet but how do you think the little smart remarks and comments you make to individuals about other organizations is helping unity? I mean get off this fake tip please... but if playing holy on a greek chat forum makes you sleep at night so be it. Our show was good and i do mean PROBATE SHOW! So if you wasnt feeling it fine... take out phc and put in Mary if you so choose i dont care anymore. I just think its high time we call it like it is and stop with the fakeness... when you crossed delta you felt as if you were better than people and wanted to turn your nose at any Iota you saw... even when i said congrats you acted funny. Dont talk about helping campus unity until you take care of home. When you all stop educating the new deltas to be haters then we can speak on becoming unified.

[OhioCentaur]

Originally posted by djjukebox
2 statements and I'm gone..

#1. Non-Greeks normally see Greeks doing service when 'they themselves' are also doing service or are in the same organizations/at the same causes (breast cancer awareness/walks, tutoring, helping Katrina victims, etc).

Those non-Greeks that aren't service oriented at school won't see those things and might assume they're not taking place. It's also on the Greeks to promote the service as if it was a party (even though, Bibically.. you're not supposed to really 'big up' yourself when doing service.. but that's neither here nor there for this thread).

#2. Centaur... there's a time and a place for everything. I never would expect any Man to be a punk. But your probate show is not the time to throw darts. And that goes for any org. The main problem with modern day Undergrad Greeks is that after they finish pleadging, their Prophyte stop teaching the culture of the Fraternity and Sorority to them. They just sorta teach them the challenges.. a few Marches/steps and turn them loose.

Which has ended up in these not fully taught Greeks losing a lot of traditions and making up ish as they go.

ie: crossing hand signs, unity steps (WTF), unity calls (ditto), Fraternities doing Sorority steps (Super Gay... at a stepshow, if I wanna see an AKA step, the AKA's should be doing it). Vice Versa for the Sororities... You all have rich stepping histories. Do your S#!t !!! Cause you represent yourself better than anybody else.

I don't need to share a 'sign, step, handcall' with you to call you my brother/friend/patnah and definitely not to 'show unity'.

I can (and do) show unity with you when we do joint service to help our campus and community and support each others events without tearing each other down.

Now.. there is a place for clowning and jokes.. and it's called your "Yard Show" or just any other non-formal time you feel like stepping/showing out.

I feel where your coming from but this isnt the first show on the yard to use names and or make it personal. So for mary to act like omg the iotas... get the heck outta here wit that. You are right and i would agree accept thats the norm on ostate's yard. and above that i spoke with each of the other orgs right after the show and there was no beef... nobody wanted to fight... we even went to the kappa party and saw there coming out or whatever u want to call it adn there was no drama. I'm pissed because people want to get all righteous on the internet and forget how and where the true beef came from. It was a probate show like it or not. There were darts as you call it... thrown at other orgs... ok thats the end of it... did we fight or trade wood after words... hell nah people laughed and said get ready for our next show... whoopie do... if we can go thru a show like that and people still are talking and kicking it afterwards how far is the unity? oh wait... maybe we shoudl all join hands and sing about how much we love the nphc and how we all get along and have the same views... man F that and F the idiot who thought greek life was supposed to be that way.

[RBL]

Originally posted by OhioCentaur
Thank you Mary but i feel i will believe what i believe WITHOUT your opinion first off secondly, you are promoting this "campus unity" on the internet but how do you think the little smart remarks and comments you make to individuals about other organizations is helping unity? I mean get off this fake tip please... but if playing holy on a greek chat forum makes you sleep at night so be it. Our show was good and i do mean PROBATE SHOW! So if you wasnt feeling it fine... take out phc and put in Mary if you so choose i dont care anymore. I just think its high time we call it like it is and stop with the fakeness... when you crossed delta you felt as if you were better than people and wanted to turn your nose at any Iota you saw... even when i said congrats you acted funny. Dont talk about helping campus unity until you take care of home. When you all stop educating the new deltas to be haters then we can speak on becoming unified.

Damn...

[Proverbs31]

Originally posted by OhioCentaur
Thank you Mary but i feel i will believe what i believe WITHOUT your opinion first off secondly, you are promoting this "campus unity" on the internet but how do you think the little smart remarks and comments you make to individuals about other organizations is helping unity? I mean get off this fake tip please... but if playing holy on a greek chat forum makes you sleep at night so be it. Our show was good and i do mean PROBATE SHOW! So if you wasnt feeling it fine... take out phc and put in Mary if you so choose i dont care anymore. I just think its high time we call it like it is and stop with the fakeness... when you crossed delta you felt as if you were better than people and wanted to turn your nose at any Iota you saw... even when i said congrats you acted funny. Dont talk about helping campus unity until you take care of home. When you all stop educating the new deltas to be haters then we can speak on becoming unified.

I'll keep this short.

Nope, I do not speak to certain members of your organization. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why. If you want to act clueless as to why, thats fine. If the above qualifies me as a phony person, by not speaking to you, or select members in your org, so be it. You know what the deal is and has been. And new Deltas?
If you've disrespected any member of my chapter past or present, no, I surely will not deal with you.

To the men of Kappa Alpha Psi, I apologize that this post is not on topic.

[marquise1911]

I must say that the topic of this thread has gone far from what it was intended to be. But I will still throw my 11 cents in. I am SO against personal attacks at probate shows. At the Alpha Probate Show they broke plastic canes and threw them at us. In retaliation some of my LB's and Chapter brothers posted the rejection letters belonging to 8 members of that line who had attempted to pledge Kappa the semester before. Some of those 8 were my friends and till this day we don't speak. I never get mad when someone chants against or disses my frat, because I myself and Kappa Alpha Psi are so above that. But lawd forbid someone call me out in a show. I am liable to forget my manners and act a got-damn fool.

Personal jabs, NO MATTER ON WHAT CAMPUS, are taking it too far. I don't see how someone would be so dense as not to believe that calling someone out personally would not cause someone...shockingly, TO TAKE IT PERSONALLY! That's just plain idiosy at its finest. This thread has gotten personal, this subject matter is personal, and personally I find it all to be unnecessary.

A probate show is intended to INTRODUCE NEW MEMBERS!!! Not diss other organizations or anyone in general. Just ask your profites if they're for real.

***Marquise slams door on this thread***

[starang21]

Originally posted by marquise1911
A probate show is intended to INTRODUCE NEW MEMBERS!!!

no, that's really a come out show. but that's neither here nor there.

anyhow, while watched the fireworks in this thread unfold...one statement really stands out in my mind.


"no one likes it when it's them."

now, i don't know nor do i really care about greek unity on OSU's yard, or any yard for that matter, and i don't particularly give a shit....but let's face it, beefs are an everyday occurence. nature of the beast when you have conflicting group-thinks. whether or not i think that the method in addressing said beef is cool is irrelevant. the point is that if and when you're going to partake in shady shit knowingly or whatever....it's going to be called out, whether at a come out, during a pan meeting, ect. let us not pretend to be on some higher moral ground and try to chastize those who decide address these issues in a high profile event where it could possibly be embarassing when it wouldn't have happened either way in the first place. that's human nature. let us be thankful that it didn't end with a fight or someone losing an eye.