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12-28-2005, 12:17 PM
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I don't understand what's going on...
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I'm not real sure. Maybe someone is making up new groups to be paranoid about.
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12-28-2005, 01:40 PM
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I'd vote for McCain before i'd vote for Kerry.
McCain is a good fair man.
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12-28-2005, 01:44 PM
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At least McCain really supports the troops, unlike another Senator who "served in Vietnam".
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what is that suppose to mean?
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12-28-2005, 01:50 PM
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Americans taken hostage by the terrorists will have their heads cut off and a video of it posted on the internet.
Giving terrorists "rights" gets us nothing.
Iraqi soldiers deny their prisoners "rights" and nobody cares. There are no sirens from mosques in Arab countries calling for the people to join the jihad. They only do it for Americans - the same Americans that they say defile Muslim holy lands simply by setting foot there.
We are not dealing with an organized Italian army that will save POWs to trade at the end of the war.
We also have proof of someone who provided details BECAUSE of torture and a terrorist act was stopped. I'm willing to accept a couple of naked guys on polaroids to save lives.
-Rudey
--But really, this thread isn't about the protest of torture or its justification.
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Fighting through means of TERROR does not help our cause. It'll only help our enemies. Look through history.
The Brittish used brutal tactics during the American Revolution, it only made the Colonist fight harder.
The French tried the same tactics on the Hatians.
Santa Anna took NO prisioners at Goliad and the Alamo.
The Germans and Japanese were especially BRUTAL on anybody they caught.
WE destroyed MANY a Vietamnese villages...
These guys all have one thing in common.....
My point is this, brutal tactics only strengthen your enemies resolve. It makes his sons want to fight you.
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I'm willing to accept a couple of naked guys on polaroids to save lives.
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But we know that wasn't about "obtaining" information. If it was then they wouldn't have placed it in a the hands of a freaking sergant and his private gf.
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12-28-2005, 08:35 PM
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what is that suppose to mean?
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Until you start reading some newspapers, and watch some TV news not presented by Jon Stewart, you should not post comments on current events.
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12-28-2005, 08:39 PM
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Want to comment on the Silver Star, too? I believe that's our third highest award for bravery.
As for the Purple Heart, at least he was in battle. The medal has been given for less.
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Kerry loved his medals so much that he threw them away over the fence at an anti-Vietnam War rally.
Then his medals were found framed on his office wall.
Conclusion: Either he didn't throw away his medals, or Theresa bought him some new ones.
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12-28-2005, 09:17 PM
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How much more brutal could it get? Instead of cutting off heads on the internet, they will bring in Al Jazeera to do a live broadcast?
I just don't see the tradeoff and benefit using that argument.
And one can say the brutality of Sherman won the civil war, but you're the soldier so you would know better than I.
-Rudey
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Originally posted by Shortfuse
Fighting through means of TERROR does not help our cause. It'll only help our enemies. Look through history.
The Brittish used brutal tactics during the American Revolution, it only made the Colonist fight harder.
The French tried the same tactics on the Hatians.
Santa Anna took NO prisioners at Goliad and the Alamo.
The Germans and Japanese were especially BRUTAL on anybody they caught.
WE destroyed MANY a Vietamnese villages...
These guys all have one thing in common.....
My point is this, brutal tactics only strengthen your enemies resolve. It makes his sons want to fight you.
But we know that wasn't about "obtaining" information. If it was then they wouldn't have placed it in a the hands of a freaking sergant and his private gf.
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12-29-2005, 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by hoosier
Kerry loved his medals so much that he threw them away over the fence at an anti-Vietnam War rally.
Then his medals were found framed on his office wall.
Conclusion: Either he didn't throw away his medals, or Theresa bought him some new ones.
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Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that those in his chain of command thought he earned them through his actions in combat.
They don't give out that many silver stars. A stat I saw today is that so far only 172 of them have been given out in the Iraq war. They are serious commendations.
Say all you want, but here is a man who has some courage -- both in battle and in his convictions -- whether your or the rest of the world agree with him or not.
And, I'll ask again, were you there? If not, maybe you should be a little more selective in what you say and how you judge.
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12-29-2005, 09:50 AM
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Until you start reading some newspapers, and watch some TV news not presented by Jon Stewart, you should not post comments on current events.
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You know more about Jon Stewart than I do.
But I do know this.
That "senator" you speak of DID risk his neck in Vietnam, while several HIGH RANKING officials who SUPPORT the war had "other things" to do.
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12-29-2005, 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Shortfuse
You know more about Jon Stewart than I do.
But I do know this.
That "senator" you speak of DID risk his neck in Vietnam, while several HIGH RANKING officials who SUPPORT the war had "other things" to do.
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Yeah Clinton supported the war in Iraq and dodged the draft.
-Rudey
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12-29-2005, 02:45 PM
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Yeah Clinton supported the war in Iraq and dodged the draft.
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As did Vice President Cheeny
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12-29-2005, 04:28 PM
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As did Vice President Cheeny
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He was a student, then got married and then had a child. All of those were reasons why he wasn't drafted and shipped out. The laws out there allowed for this just like the laws allowed for John Kerry to get medals for minor wounds.
-Rudey
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12-29-2005, 04:50 PM
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He was a student, then got married and then had a child. All of those were reasons why he wasn't drafted and shipped out. The laws out there allowed for this just like the laws allowed for John Kerry to get medals for minor wounds.
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Yup. I mentioned that in another thread a long time ago. Clinton was a student and then a Rhodes Scholar. George W. Bush managed to stay out of the active military be using family pull to join the National Guard/Reserves.
Of the whole group, Kerry is the one who stepped up and served his time in the active military and the only one who saw combat.
Why bother to bring any of it up if you don't want to look at more than one side of the story?
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12-29-2005, 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Yup. I mentioned that in another thread a long time ago. Clinton was a student and then a Rhodes Scholar. George W. Bush managed to stay out of the active military be using family pull to join the National Guard/Reserves.
Of the whole group, Kerry is the one who stepped up and served his time in the active military and the only one who saw combat.
Why bother to bring any of it up if you don't want to look at more than one side of the story?
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Actually Shortfuse was referring to one side of the story so I brought up the other.
You decided to bring up the first side once again though.
Kerry's medals and service have not provided him with invincibility although you may wish different.
-Rudey
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12-29-2005, 05:03 PM
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Kerry's medals and service have not provided him with invincibility although you may wish different.
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Nope, but I object to those who attempt to minimize the fact that he did serve in combat and was awarded the nation's third highest award for bravery, as well as the Purple Heart.
Shortfuse was reacting to a somewhat snide comment by Hoosier.
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