Question: Does anyone ever see the NPHC allowing inclusion of a 10th group?

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by ktsnake
I stand corrected.

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Originally posted by rocketgirl


Like TheEpitome1920 said, practically all the orgs that are Black focused that were formed that are not in the NPHC were formed because the founders weren't looking for anything they found in the NPHC. That probably means that they weren't trying to be down with the NPHC from jump.

That's an oversimplified generalization--perhaps true for orgs founded < 10 years ago, but may not necessarily be so for orgs founded 20+ years ago. The only way to find out is to ask the individual orgs in question.

I wasn't trying to generalize ALL Black non-NPHC greek lettered organizations. But I've noticed that more often than not they make reference to our council. For whatever reason we didn't meet their needs. So why would they want to join our council??

I don't find the requirements harsh. I think they make sure that any organization that comes into the fold has a solid foundation and will have a productive future. What's wrong with that?

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by ladygreek
So let me get this straight. Being in existence for 15 years and having to charter 100 new collegiate or alumni chapters, 50 of which have to be ten years old (so that is 10 a year the first 5 years and 5 a year the next 10 years) is unattainable? Not for an org, whose founders and members maintain their commitment to why they joined in the first place.

Name one org (other than Iota) that has done this.

OK, a'ight, I concede that such a criteria is doable and attainable.

By the same token, I don't see any of the orgs busting their tails to meet this criteria just so they can join the NPHC (not that any org should do such a thing).

I think to be honest, the younger orgs do not want to join the NPHC because IMO the "established" orgs and the younger orgs come from two different schools of thought when it comes to inter-organization affairs, policies, and politics.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
I wasn't trying to generalize ALL Black non-NPHC greek lettered organizations. But I've noticed that more often than not they make reference to our council. For whatever reason we didn't meet their needs. So why would they want to join our council??

I understand that you weren't trying to generalize all Black non-NPHC GLOs, but let's try to find a common denominator in all this:

Which orgs were these? How old were they?

My point of all this is, if these orgs were founded in the last 5-7 years, then they are still young orgs and I am not concerned so much with them. My primary concern is with orgs at least 20 years old (founded no later than the mid 1980s). Were these orgs started PRIMARILY b/c the NPHC didn't meet their needs? If so, then maybe your point is a little more legitimate. If not, then that's another issue altogether--no more different than why Iota was founded.

I don't find the requirements harsh. I think they make sure that any organization that comes into the fold has a solid foundation and will have a productive future. What's wrong with that?

I guess my question is, if they are solid enough to be part of the NIC, then what is the real issue at hand?

[KSUViolet06]

Seriously guy, did one of these orgs not invite you to join or something? You seem to be highly critical of them and their policies.

And like it or not, these groups represent the best and brightest of the African American community, hence the "Divine 9".

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
It doesn't have to be similiar to NPHC. I have found that a lot of these organizations are formed partly because the founders don't like the way things are done in NPHC. So they could come up with their own council that would address the needs they feel NPHC doesn't meet. A lot of universities have Black Greek Councils anyway so it could become a national organization.

It would be a relatively shortlived council filled with relatively shortlived and fly-by-night BGLOs. Good luck to them.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rain Man
No, they are stringent in that the number of chapters required to be in the fold are in this day and age, unrealistic, particularly in light of the fact that there are numerous GLOs (local, regional, and national) that have highly saturated the college student "market". Further, compare that to the NIC and the NPC's requirements for a new org to join, and I gotta say, the NPHC's restrictions are very stringent, as indicated.

Daggone Intense, how well established does an org gotta get? I understand and accept the fact that any particular org must get a few years under its belt to insure survival and a few more years under its belt to insure growth and stability. By no means do I advocate bringing "baby orgs" into the fold, but when an org has been in existence 30-40 years, that's a pretty good indicator right there that they ain't goin' away any time soon.

Truth be told, IMO the reason why the requirements are so stringent is that the NPHC does not want a 10th org in the fold (or 11th or 12th), especially considering how the process of admitting the 9th org was like pulling teeth.

The requirements are fine. The organizations who can not meet the requirements just need to get their weight up.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by ktsnake
"Divine Nine" has a nice ring to it.

Nothing rhymes with ten.

It'll never happen.

Some people who are forever resistant to change still call us the "Great Eight."

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Doesn't have to rhyme--just be descriptive, like the Tenacious Ten.

In that case, the NPHC requirements are justifiably stringent. Tenacity has to be proven.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rain Man
OK, a'ight, I concede that such a criteria is doable and attainable.

Okay...end of discussion, dudeguy.

Whether they attain it or even care to do so is their business.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by JocelynC
Seriously guy, did one of these orgs not invite you to join or something? You seem to be highly critical of them and their policies.

I became critical of them the day I was approached by one of their members for the 50th time being told that I couldn't do this, that, or the other, because that was something reserved for the NPHC. I then looked this character dead in the eye and said, "Bull$#!t! Watch me!" and walked away. I then resolved to never again validate or dignify the so-called power they claim to possess on a college campus.

And like it or not, these groups represent the best and brightest of the African American community, hence the "Divine 9".

*LOL* Very amusing. Quite a sense of humor there, Jocelyn. I like that. You're all right with me.

But seriously, all jokes aside, if that was the case, why didn't you join an NPHC org if you hold them in such a high regard?

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
I wasn't trying to generalize ALL Black non-NPHC greek lettered organizations. But I've noticed that more often than not they make reference to our council. For whatever reason we didn't meet their needs. So why would they want to join our council??

I understand that you weren't trying to generalize all Black non-NPHC GLOs, but let's try to find a common denominator in all this:

Which orgs were these? How old were they?

My point of all this is, if these orgs were founded in the last 5-7 years, then they are still young orgs and I am not concerned so much with them. My primary concern is with orgs at least 20 years old (founded no later than the mid 1980s). Were these orgs started PRIMARILY b/c the NPHC didn't meet their needs? If so, then maybe your point is a little more legitimate. If not, then that's another issue altogether--no more different than why Iota was founded.

I don't find the requirements harsh. I think they make sure that any organization that comes into the fold has a solid foundation and will have a productive future. What's wrong with that?

I guess my question is, if they are solid enough to be part of the NIC, then what is the real issue at hand?

Didn't the organization you posted about earlier mention NPHC? I was looking at Phi Rho Eta's website and they also mention NPHC. I just found it interesting that non-NPHC BGLOs mention our council on their websites. If they aren't seeking membership...don't like our organizations...why the mention?

In regards to Iota...I dunno...I wasn't greek during that expansion so everything I know is second hand information. I think they are a wonderful organization. And the other part of me feels that the council has some things it needs to work on before it expands...

Who's coming to the NPHC Convention in Chicago this October?!?!

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
It would be a relatively shortlived council filled with relatively shortlived and fly-by-night BGLOs. Good luck to them.

Read my post in this thread on the National Greek Alliance.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by JocelynC
And like it or not, these groups represent the best and brightest of the African American community, hence the "Divine 9".

Change that to "represent some of the best and brightest" and I'll agree with you.

I don't know what Rain Man's tangent is about. He already admitted the requirements are attainable. There are BGLOs that are over 20 years old but are almost nonexistent in terms of membership. Should they be allowed in the NPHC, too?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Read my post in this thread on the National Greek Alliance.

I've read all the posts. My comments stand.