Underground

[emb021]

Originally posted by g41965
Former DU chapters continue as undergrounds at Union College and Syracuse University, DU will not recolonize until these groups die out.

APO has the same policy. What's also an issue with such underground groups is that some who join thing they are members of the organization, but aren't. Thus, later on they are denied the ability to become alumni members, etc.

[ragtimerose]

Originally posted by kddani
OPPOSITE DAY!

Someone's been watching a little too much Spongebob.

[kddani]

Originally posted by ragtimerose
Someone's been watching a little too much Spongebob.

I don't think i've ever watched an entire episode of Spongebob Nor have I ever heard him say that.

I'm a child of the 80's... we said that all the time.

[madmax]

Originally posted by emb021
What's also an issue with such underground groups is that some who join think they are members of the organization, but aren't. Thus, later on they are denied the ability to become alumni members, etc.

No they don't. Did you ever confuse APO with ATO? Why do you think the underground organizations change their names? Schools send out information to incoming freshman warning them about underground organizations and during rush they tell the PNMs exactly who is underground.

[emb021]

Originally posted by madmax
No they don't. Did you ever confuse APO with ATO? Why do you think the underground organizations change their names? Schools send out information to incoming freshman warning them about underground organizations and during rush they tell the PNMs exactly who is underground.

Sorry, but I'm not confused.

I'm met people who've joined underground APO 'chapters' who think they are APO brothers, etc. Some have contacted our National Office to become Life Members, only to be told they were never Brothers, so can't. These groups did NOT hide behind other names, tho am sure some do. I've heard stories of members of such groups walking around their campuses wearing APO letters, etc.

[Tom Earp]

Here in is the Problem!

Hey While We are Underground, We Still are XYZ GLO.

"BUT", if they are underground, are they recognized By HQ?

If those Members Join thinking that they upon Graduation be Alums of Said GLO, will and does it happen?

Guess it is dependent on School and GLO!

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by Amalia17
Recently at my school we have lost many GLO's, both fraternities and sororities for various reasons. This semester (only a month into it) we lost 3, the most recent was this past week. A good many of them have continued to function "underground" where they are not forwarding new member names to nationals, but are initiating new members, holding ritual, wearing letters, the whole nine yards. I guess the only thing these new "members" do not get is a badge, but then again you can find them on ebay. This brings up a lot of questions. The people who are initiated function as brothers/sisters, yet technically in nationals eyes are not. However, it seems to be okay here, and they are supported by the greeks. What do you think about this? How does it work at your schools?

I understand what you're saying about operating underground. My chapter operated underground for two years after a university suspension and a pulled charter by nationals. Nobody wore letters but we did get new guys. Eventually it phased out into us just being one big group of friends when the new chapter came along and was filled with guys not of the same likes as us. Still we recruited other guys to go into the new chpater without nationals knowing about it. Now they have a bunch of studs there again. I'm a little anxious to know how well the chapters are doing that are operating and recruiting underground. Care to fill me in?

[SirHornyToad]

If i were them i'd go ahead and initiate them, and have thier new members set up a dummy local there and if they ever get a chance to recolonize or what not just have them do it

[Tom Earp]

Yes, but what happens if they are not Re-Chartered?

Always the possibility and so then where are the So Callled New Members?

Can only be done with a sanction from HQ! Basically Chapter Roll Numbers.

[TSteven]

Originally posted by cashmoney
Nobody wore letters but we did get new guys. Eventually it phased out into us just being one big group of friends when the new chapter came along and was filled with guys not of the same likes as us. Still we recruited other guys to go into the new chpater without nationals knowing about it. Now they have a bunch of studs there again.

What do you mean by "get new guys"? Did any of these guys - the ones "recruited" while there wasn't a chapter - ever get initiated into the "new" chapter and recognized by HQ? Or was it just the guys - i.e. "the studs" - that the chapter recruited after it came back?

[TSteven]

Originally posted by SirHornyToad
If i were them i'd go ahead and initiate them, and have thier new members set up a dummy local there and if they ever get a chance to recolonize or what not just have them do it

Not sure I follow this.

As Tom pointed out, for the men to be members, HQ would need to recognize them. (i.e. chapter rolls etc.) So how would an underground group - i.e. non HQ recognized 'locals' - be able to initiate them as true brothers of the fraternity?

It seems like once the fraternity re-charters/recolonizes, HQ would only reinstate *known* (recognized) members. Those that weren't forced to go alum. And as such, the local guys would more or less be SOL and required by HQ to rush again. And if HQ was overseeing the bidding, there may be no guarantee that they would be offered a bid.

Sounds too shady.