National VS Local Debate

[valkyrie]

What could possibly be more local than two chapters in one city?

[PhiPsiRuss]

A local GLO is one that exists at only 1 school. Not 2, not 3. 1. If there is more than 1 chapter, it is not local.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by BetaRose
A local GLO is one that defines itself as a local. Some general characteristics of local GLOs are:

- self-recognition as a local organization
- recognition by the host school as a local organization
- no central governing body separate from the chapter(s)
- no more than 1-3 chapters

A local GLO is not defined by the described entity. That's like me saying my eyes are blue, when they are brown. It is defined by commonly accepted terminology, which should have stable definitions as to enable discourse.

Self recognition is an invalid criterion.

Delta Psi is a member of the NIC, and they essentially function without a central governing body, so this point is also invalid.

"no more than 1-3 chapters" is arbitrary. If a regional fraternity has 4 chapters, and one folds, is it now a local?

A local organization is one that is unique to that campus. That means one, and only one chapter.

[AOX81]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
A local organization is one that is unique to that campus. That means one, and only one chapter.

I'm still going to disagree with you on this one. Considering that our two chapters are 1.37 miles apart I still consider us LOCAL. Everyone has a different definition and opinion for everything so lets just move on and discuss things that are more important.

[Glitterkitty]

IF you are not in a local, what do you care? I think the attempts at defining "local Sorority" are just guidelines and not hard and set rules. 3 or 4 chapters-whatever. I do not personally consider a sorority with two chapters to be regional. What is they have two chapters on opposite coasts. To say they are national is still misleading IMO. But it is not for me to say really. If a group considers itself local, then that is good enough for me. If they consider themselves regional-fine-whatever. This is a dumb point to argue. If you are not in one-it's not really your place to say. There is a sorority tri-kappa (get past the name for a second) they have 146 active chapters, 130 associate chapters and 11,000 active members. They are ONLY in Indiana. Do you call that local-because-that's pretty localized. Regional-well I wouldn't consider the state a region. They have more chapters than Theta Phi ALpha and DPhiE put together-but they aren't national . WHO CARES! they are whatever they think they are.

BTW-I met a theta the other day-precious girl!

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Glitterkitty
IF you are not in a local, what do you care? I think the attempts at defining "local Sorority" are just guidelines and not hard and set rules. 3 or 4 chapters-whatever. I do not personally consider a sorority with two chapters to be regional. What is they have two chapters on opposite coasts. To say they are national is still misleading IMO. But it is not for me to say really. If a group considers itself local, then that is good enough for me. If they consider themselves regional-fine-whatever. This is a dumb point to argue. If you are not in one-it's not really your place to say. There is a sorority tri-kappa (get past the name for a second) they have 146 active chapters, 130 associate chapters and 11,000 active members. They are ONLY in Indiana. Do you call that local-because-that's pretty localized. Regional-well I wouldn't consider the state a region. They have more chapters than Theta Phi ALpha and DPhiE put together-but they aren't regional. WHO CARES! they are whatever they think they are.

You can't have a discussion about a specific subject if people can't agree on how to define that subject. A local is one, and only one chapter Period. That's why its called local. Get it?

[AOX81]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
You can't have a discussion about a specific subject if people can't agree on how to define that subject. A local is one, and only one chapter Period. That's why its called local. Get it?

Getting everyone to agree on something is NEVER going to happen...get over it. The definition of a local organization is not going to cure cancer.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by AOX81
Getting everyone to agree on something is NEVER going to happen...get over it.

I'm not going to stay quiet while several people decide that 2+2=5. A local is absolutely, a single chartered entity UNIQUE to that campus. What is so hard about that to grasp?

[chideltjen]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
You can't have a discussion about a specific subject if people can't agree on how to define that subject. A local is one, and only one chapter Period. That's why its called local. Get it?

oy... nevermind.
this is starting to sound like a discussion on how to define hazing. Obviously no one agrees on what is local/regional/national/international/interplanetary/whatever.

So for the sake of the discussion, can we just assume a "local" organization is one that is not included in list of your Panhel/IFC/PanHel/NIC groups? Regardless if they have 1 chapter or 50 billion? I mean the term "local" is something we are all familiar with, why not just keep it?

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by chideltjen
oy... nevermind.
this is starting to sound like a discussion on how to define hazing. Obviously no one agrees on what is local/regional/national/international/interplanetary/whatever.

So for the sake of the discussion, can we just assume a "local" organization is one that is not included in list of your Panhel/IFC/PanHel/NIC groups? Regardless if they have 1 chapter or 50 billion? I mean the term "local" is something we are all familiar with, why not just keep it?

No we can't, because regional groups behave more responsibly than locals. Locals are a huge problem in the Northeast. I don't even understand why a 2+ chapter regional would want to be in the same category as locals that send pledges to the hospital on a regular basis.

[33girl]

russell, quit being a big pickypants, especially if you're just using it as another chance to slam anything that isn't NPC or NIC.

this whole thread is (tm AXJules) G to the H to the E to the Y.

[chideltjen]

you say po-TAH-to and i say po-TAY-to

That's how I see it.

Different regions, different locals I suppose.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by 33girl
russell, quit being a big pickypants, especially if you're just using it as another chance to slam anything that isn't NPC or NIC.

Don'ty be so quick to pass judgement on my outlook. There are actually a few (literally) locals that I respect.

Pick up any older edition of Baird's, and it will clearly define locals as local to one, and only one campus. 1=1. Its really that simple.

The behavior of locals, and regionals, are different. Even though many regionals don't have liability insurance, they do behave more responsibly than locals.

Also, in the Northeast, where there probably more locals and regionals than in any other part of the country, many of the locals are former chapters of national groups that behave in a terrible way.

Its really in the best interest of a small regional fraternal organization to not be classified with the groups that pervade the SUNY system, for example.

And quite simply, changing definitions of commonly accepted terms is highly anti-intellectual, and is counter-productive to rational discourse.

[AOX81]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
I'm not going to stay quiet while several people decide that 2+2=5. A local is absolutely, a single chartered entity UNIQUE to that campus. What is so hard about that to grasp?

Last time I checked weren't working on a math problem... For some chapters your definition will work...for mine it won't. Just because YOU define something a certain way doesn't mean that we all have to agree with it.

[AOX81]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Pick up any older edition of Baird's, and it will clearly define locals as local to one, and only one campus. 1=1. Its really that simple.

I noticed that you stated "older edition" ...definitions change over time.