What do you think of this Kerry news?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by mrblonde
<--btw officially retarded for only looking at the picture once

You have to give the GOP one thing, it is infinitely more organized. There are never 80 billion candidates running for the Republican nomination, rarely more than two. These candidates are all kind of running for themselves (and wasting money with a lost effort, as was pointed out about Dean) and not for the party.

I will give them this on about 9,000,000 other counts as well. Lack of organization and a clear structure is a huge problem within the Democratic Party, and something I think we sorely need to address to remain solvent.

[honeychile]

Okay, I spent the day with my (much) elder brother, who is a Viet Nam veteran.

*Kerry was the founder of the Viet Nam Veterans Against the War. Most of the men returning from Viet Nam were against the war.

*Kerry has admitted that he invented several of the veteran's stories concerning supposed atrocities committed by Viet Nam Veterans. This is not to say that atrocities were not committed; but most people consider plagiarism a crime. Remember Jayson Blair?

*Most Viet Nam Veterans who received a Purple Heart were laid up for more than a day. In fact, a goodly portion received them posthumously.

*Kerry was with a group of Viet Nam Vets who protested by throwing away their medals. Kerry threw only his ribbons; the rest threw away their medals. I believe that's called hypocracy.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. I haven't trusted this snake oil salesman for years - the day he married Teresa Heinz, I quit buying Heinz products!

[Sistermadly]

Originally posted by honeychile
*Kerry was with a group of Viet Nam Vets who protested by throwing away their medals. Kerry threw only his ribbons; the rest threw away their medals. I believe that's called hypocracy.

I read somewhere (I think it was in the Globe and Mail this weekend) that those weren't even his ribbons that he was throwing - that they belonged to other servicemen.

When I look at his creative memory about the VietNam conflict, and at his rather dodgy history surrounding an amendment in opposition of gay and lesbian marriage, Kerry just doesn't add up to a good candidate. Will I support him in 2004? Unless a miracle happens and someone else ends up with the Democratic nomination, I'll be holding my nose while filling out my absentee ballot.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Well, let's see. She belonged to a famous family and once appeared nude in "Barbarella" (great body, dumb film), but I can't think of anything else -- with the exception of being part of the anti-war movement -- that was particularly controversial. But, as I said, I'm not a big fan.

Bottom line to me is that they were speaking at the same rally, and sitting in the same crowd.

So what?

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

"Sen. Kerry, the "noble statesman" and "highly decorated Vietnam vet" of today, is a far cry from Kerry, the radical, hippie-like leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in the early 1970s.

Soon after Kerry, as a Navy Lieutenant (junior grade) commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam, was awarded the Silver Star, he used an obscure Navy regulation to leave Vietnam and his crew before completing his tour of duty.

After returing home, he quit the Navy early and changed the color of his politics to become a leader of VVAW. Kerry wasted no time organizing opposition in the United States against the efforts of his former buddies still ducking communist bullets back in Vietnam.

Kerry participated in the so-called Winter Soldier Investigation where his fellow protesters accused his fellow GIs of war crimes."

There is more - about his ruthless disregard for military rules and his slaughter of civilians, how he claimed his wounds were nothing and received medals, etc.

And that cunt Fonda's actions: "Fonda "standing on the bed of a pick-up truck, denounced the Nixon administration as being a beehive for cold blooded killers."

-Rudey
--Enjoy

[Rudey]

VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST JOHN KERRY
P.O. Box 246, Kinston, N.C. 28502
www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry. org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 5, 2004
U.S. VETERANS & VIETNAMESE UNITE TO OPPOSE JOHN KERRY

Contacts:


Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry
Mike Benge, former Vietnam POW - (703) 698-8256
Ted Sampley, Vietnam veteran - (252) 527-0442
Jerry Kiley, Vietnam Veteran- (845) 947-3058

Vietnamese Americans Against John Kerry
Dan Tran, president of the Vietnam Human Rights Project - cell (281) 772-0510
Duc D. Tran, public relations - cell (856) 297-5585 work( 610) 407-8826

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry (V.V.A.J.K.) today announced a national coalition with Vietnamese Americans for Human Rights in Vietnam.

"We represent hundreds of thousand of American veterans who do not want to see John Kerry any where near the Oval Office," said Ted Sampley, founder of V.V.A.J.K, and a U.S. Army Green Beret and veteran of two combat tours in Vietnam.

Said Sampley, "I have personally dealt with John Kerry on the issue of US POWs left behind in Vietnam. Kerry is not truthful and is not worthy of the support of US veterans. Many Vietnam vets have been duped into thinking Kerry is their friend. He is not. To us, he is ‘Hanoi John’"

Dan Tran said speaking as a member of Vietnamese Americans Against John Kerry, "On behalf of tens of thousands of Vietnamese-Americans, we are determined to demonstrate against Senator Kerry all across this nation."

Dan Tran, a NASA engineer and president of the Vietnam Human Rights Project, said, "John Kerry aided and abetted the communist government in Hanoi and has hindered any human rights progress in Vietnam."

"John Kerry has fought harder for the Vietnamese communists than he fought against them in Vietnam," says Mike Benge, former civilian Viet Nam POW. "In the Senate, Kerry blocked Vietnam Human Rights (and religious freedom) Bill on behalf of Hanoi, while the Vietnamese communists continue to wage a war of repression against the non-communist Vietnamese and a war of genocide against our former allies the Montagnard ethnic minorities in the Central Highlands of Vietnam."

The Coalition plans nationwide demonstrations against Kerry beginning with the New York and Massachusetts primaries.

Coalition spokesman Mike Benge, a US POW in Vietnam for 5 years is available for interviews.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
My American Politics prof from last semester (also my advisor and my Kennedy Assassination prof) told us about this in class today. He was on the phone with the Boston Globe and heard the story breaking, so it's going to be in the Globe tomorrow for sure.

The guy taught at (and graduated from) the Kennedy School of Gov't, and he knows his crap, so I'll trust this is going in there. As to how true the allegations are, that's another story.

And I would LOVE to see a Kerry/Clark ticket.

not sure it will get in the Globe...nothing on boston.com about it, and usually if it's big in the Globe it's big on boston.com

i had heard scattered talk about the Kerry thing previously at American Legions and such (my father's a member), but thought it was just a small sample size; didn't realize there was such an uproar against him.

as far as bush being unchallenged on the ticket; unless a president has been an utter failure, you're not going to see someone challenge him in the primaries; it's just not good politics.

[GeekyPenguin]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._votes_matter/

That's the article I found with my prof in it - I wonder if they ended up not finding merit to the intern story?

[AlphaGamDiva]

ok, kerry kinda gives me the creeps (think crypt-keeper)......like clinton gave me the creeps....but not in a molestation kinda way.

HOWEVER, even though i am a repub, i developed a small sense of respect for kerry when i was watching the news the other day. someone asked him what he thought about the whole bush-guard thing, and he blew it off......was just like, "it ain't no thang...won't discuss it".....seems like he knows when to keep his mouth shut. i thought that was wise more so than honorable or whatever, but it shows he has some sense.....moreso than these other dems who probably also have skeletons in their closets. things might have changed since then, but at the time, that's what happened.

a lot of times, politicians run their mouths when they should shut their faces. why some dems get all up in arms about bush possibly being awol intrigues me when it wasn't a big deal at all for some dems that clinton completely dodged the draft.....c'mon now.

ETA: to stay on topic, it took me forever to figure out who kerry was in that pic....and i don't think that just b/c him and janie were at the same event that they are both equally "bad" or whatever....

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Rudey
[B"Sen. Kerry, the "noble statesman" and "highly decorated Vietnam vet" of today, is a far cry from Kerry, the radical, hippie-like leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in the early 1970s.[/B]

DeltAlum, regular guy, is also a far cry from what he was then.

But he was there, alive and thinking. Were you?

Had you been, you might have a little better, or at least different, insight into both the Kerry and Bush (National Guard) situations.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
DeltAlum, regular guy, is also a far cry from what he was then.

But he was there, alive and thinking. Were you?

Had you been, you might have a little better, or at least different, insight into both the Kerry and Bush (National Guard) situations.

Yeah I guess I might have been killing innocent people and then making up stories about how I saw other soldiers do it.

-Rudey

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Rudey
Yeah I guess I might have been killing innocent people and then making up stories about how I saw other soldiers do it.

-Rudey

Yeah, I guess that's possible. Bad things sometimes happen to good people.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Yeah, I guess that's possible. Bad things sometimes happen to good people.

I keep joking with this one guy about how he's having flashbacks from Nam.

-Rudey
--He doesn't think it's as funny as I do.

[The1calledTKE]

Even fox news isn't reporting it that much so I wonder if its all true. If it was true that would be the only story they would be reporting I would think.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Rudey
--He doesn't think it's as funny as I do.

Yeah, it's kinda hard to think of anything funny about that mess.

[DeltAlum]

Whether this "intern" story turns out to be:

1) Worthwhile.
2) A "Non-story."
3) Totally False
4) The next "Watergate."

Does it worry anyone that publications and broadcasters, people who are supposed to be legitimate journalists, are running parts of this story using as attribution, "Matt Drudge, an internet gossip columnist?"

What kind of source is that?