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05-12-2011, 02:16 PM
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I'm not sure, considering I posted about how "offenders" (Splash didn't define them in her post, so I was assuming she was talking about Osama, as this was the crux of this discussion) would get shot in that situation, and the first reply by you was talking about policemen. Apples to wheelbarrows.
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I consider Splash to be talking generally since many who question the Osama killing are doing so based on the laws of their lands (since international laws and military practices aren't known by most people) and they wonder when all of these laws become invalid. But if you only want to talk about terrorists....
Suspected and known terrorists sometimes get caught and they aren't all immediately killed. Some are apprehended. Why some are apprehended and others are killed is the real crux of this issue.
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05-12-2011, 02:17 PM
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Dangit, I flounced my /taser tangent.
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The military would never tase known (or suspected, as far as some are concerned) terrorists.
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Wha? I didn't say that at all. I was just commenting that, before I clicked the link, I thought it was going to be something else. 
And wow! at that video you linked to. It really does take all kinds, doesn't it.
/taser tangent (for real this time)
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05-12-2011, 02:19 PM
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I anoint this back and forth boring. I tried to electrify the conversation by adding talk of tasers, but sadly, no one found that shocking.
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05-12-2011, 02:23 PM
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Wha? I didn't say that at all. I was just commenting that, before I clicked the link, I thought it was going to be something else. |
LOL. I was joking to lead up to the dumb youtube video. I wanted to keep the taser convo in line with the thread. Doh!
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And wow! at that video you linked to. It really does take all kinds, doesn't it.
/taser tangent (for real this time)
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Indeed it does. I hope they look back at that video in a few years and think "what the hell were we thinking?!" That type of celebration is what makes some people wonder when celebration becomes...crazy...and that can add to some people's belief that the Osama killing wasn't absolutely necessary. Since the government and military do a lot of things that the layperson doesn't know about, the Osama killing could have been convenient and desired for nationalist and political reasons. But, we will never know whether it was absolutely necessary. I don't believe it was truly about the true safety of America and our allies, since terrorists don't really need Osama alive to do whatever they do, versus Americans and our allies feeling vindicated and a bit more safe.
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05-12-2011, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
LOL. I was joking to lead up to the dumb youtube video. I wanted to keep the taser convo in line with the thread. Doh!
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Phew! That makes me feel better. But still, shame on you for not using sarcasm font.
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05-12-2011, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by agzg
I anoint this back and forth boring. I tried to electrify the conversation by adding talk of tasers, but sadly, no one found that shocking.
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Punny sis, very punny.
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05-12-2011, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
I firmly believe in "I don't condone in, but I understand." That means that I can truly see why a particular outcome is preferred and accepted. I can even personally agree with it at some level. However, personal opinions and anger over Osama aside, I'm less inclined to say we could've killed someone and more inclined to say we could've captured someone. It's fine that people wanted him dead immediately and believe that payback's a bitch. People just need to understand how there are others who question the legality and even morality of it. That doesn't make those people less sensitive to terrorism, less American, or clueless about the victims of 9/11.
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I have to so much agree with you.
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
Indeed it does. I hope they look back at that video in a few years and think "what the hell were we thinking?!" That type of celebration is what makes some people wonder when celebration becomes...crazy...and that can add to some people's belief that the Osama killing wasn't absolutely necessary. Since the government and military do a lot of things that the layperson doesn't know about, the Osama killing could have been convenient and desired for nationalist and political reasons. But, we will never know whether it was absolutely necessary. I don't believe it was truly about the true safety of America and our allies, since terrorists don't really need Osama alive to do whatever they do, versus Americans and our allies feeling vindicated and a bit more safe.
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More agree. If we didn't disagree so much on other things, I'd think you were my soul mate.
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05-12-2011, 04:36 PM
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If we didn't disagree so much on other things....
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Prove it!!!!! 
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05-12-2011, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
I don't believe it was truly about the true safety of America and our allies, since terrorists don't really need Osama alive to do whatever they do, versus Americans and our allies feeling vindicated and a bit more safe.
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Taking Osama out was more of a symbolic move than a tactical one but I'm still happy to see that the bastard is finally gone.
I also hope his corpse is getting skull-fucked daily by hammerhead sharks.
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05-12-2011, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001
Taking Osama out was more of a symbolic move than a tactical one but I'm still happy to see that the bastard is finally gone.
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Okay, so when people find it to be symbolic and the military says he was unarmed ( they said he was unarmed as soon as they announced his killing but there apparently remains debate about that), surely people can see why some people find it to be an unnecessarily quick killing.
Some people's response: "Well, Osama's killings were unfair and unnecessarily quick."
My response: "True dat but Osama 'n dem are the terrorists. We aren't...right? That depends on who you ask and when you ask."
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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1445...lity-seals.htm
Yikes @ this article (reputable source?) saying "Obama" instead of "Osama."
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05-12-2011, 06:40 PM
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I agree with Dr. Phil.
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05-12-2011, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001
I also hope his corpse is getting skull-fucked daily by hammerhead sharks.
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I hope no one ever has reason to say this about you.
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
That depends on who you ask and when you ask.
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I can almost see the steam coming out of (certain) people's ears, you heathen anti-American liberal you.
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05-12-2011, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
Some people's response: "Well, Osama's killings were unfair and unnecessarily quick."
My response: "True dat but Osama 'n dem are the terrorists. We aren't...right? That depends on who you ask and when you ask."
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Who's really saying that Osama's killing was unfair? I think his death was the most appropriate course of action.
People were concerned that a gravesite was going to rally the jihadists but WTF do you think a 2 year trial in NYC would do? Let alone all the terrorist attacks demanding that the U.S. release Bin Laden blah blah blah.....
Like others have said, Bin Laden himself chose his demise long ago.
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05-12-2011, 07:26 PM
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I hope no one ever has reason to say this about you.
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GAG ME WITH A FUCKIN SPOON 
You know what, if I killed over 3,000 innocent civilians than I would deserve to have that said about me and I would also deserve to be put down like the dog Bin Laden was.
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05-12-2011, 07:29 PM
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You know what, if I killed over 3,000 innocent civilians than I would deserve to have that said about me...
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If you killed 3,000 or 333,000 people, I still wouldn't say it about you.
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