240,000 dollars awarded to man forced to cover Arab T-shirt - Page 5

agzg · #61 01-07-2009, 02:53 PM

FWIW, the top one was what I was trying to describe, but the Palestinian protesters that I saw the other day weren't wearing it across their faces, it was too thin.

It's not a "terrorists only" thing.

epchick · #62 01-07-2009, 03:01 PM

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FWIW, the top one was what I was trying to describe, but the Palestinian protesters that I saw the other day weren't wearing it across their faces, it was too thin.

It's not a "terrorists only" thing.

Did they wear it around their head or neck? A lot of my Arab friends have a Keyyifeh (and the Saudi guys wear the red one) and they definitely aren't terrorists.

If I remember correctly (from what i've been told) its more of a sentimental thing. You wear it as a sign of protest against how Palestinians are treated (and yes by Israel). That is why there was a lot of controversy when Urban Outfitters, Rachael Ray, etc came out wearing something similar to it.

agzg · #63 01-07-2009, 03:06 PM

The black and white checked one around the neck. They had red, black, and green accents near the fringe. I should have looked up a picture when I was posting about them the first time but I was lazy. I've seen Saudis wearing the red one as pictured.

It's not terribly threatening unless someone lets their imagination run away with them.

AGDee · #64 01-07-2009, 03:10 PM

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I don't know that this is something specific to one's closeness to the situation, or that it makes PM_Mama's situation that much different than a number of people...I would imagine there are anti-American elements in a lot of cities, and heck, the planes went right through Boston where KSigRC, myself, and a bunch of other members of this board were going to school. Not to mention the members of the board who were living in NYC at the time, or who lost family members and friends on 9/11...

On a somewhat unrelated note - I always wonder about the difference in feelings by people who lost loved ones on 9/11, and those who did not. In my immediate circle of friends and acquaintances (those who lost friends and family, and those who were living in NYC or working near Ground Zero) have tended to hold softer lines on this kind of stuff than others. In other words, they're the ones who wouldn't mind sitting on an airplane with someone like this claimant.

I was simply answering the "How do you know..." question. Every couple months there is a news story about someone being arrested for channeling money to militant terrorist groups (not just al Qaeda, but also Hezbelloh and Hamas, etc.)

You do bring up some good questions.

PM_Mama00 · #65 01-07-2009, 03:18 PM

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Does it look more like this (a Keyyifeh):

or

this (sometimes called a Shemagh or a ghutra an iqal):

Nope it was pretty much a red fabric that they tide around their head. I saw it on both movies, United 93 and Flight 93. It's when they all look at each other, tie them on their heads and that's when people on the plane know that something is wrong. I've never seen it other than on the movies.

agzg · #66 01-07-2009, 03:20 PM

Found it! This is what the protesters were wearing around their necks:

epchick · #67 01-07-2009, 03:51 PM

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I've never seen it other than on the movies.

Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

Senusret I · #68 01-07-2009, 03:54 PM

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Heyyyyyy Mister Keyyifeh man..... what's your sign?

DaemonSeid · #69 01-07-2009, 03:56 PM

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Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

Wow...did I call it or what?

squirrely girl · #70 01-07-2009, 05:56 PM

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How would you know what it said?

i think that's the point here. we as a country haven't bothered to learn his language. we're scared because we don't understand it. that's not his fault...

PM_Mama00 · #71 01-07-2009, 07:02 PM

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Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

KSig RC · #72 01-07-2009, 07:07 PM

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I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

Really? Neither were hailed as documentaries, right?

epchick · #73 01-07-2009, 07:30 PM

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I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

Seeing as how all the people on that flight are deceased, you don't really know what happened (aside from the recorded phone calls). So most of the movie was conjecture.

AGDee · #74 01-07-2009, 11:53 PM

I thought I read it in the transcripts between Todd Beamer and the operator he was talking to, when he was describing the men. I also thought it was only one guy.. the one with the "bomb" strapped to him. But, they have taken creative license. I've watched/heard/seen/read so much about that day, the movies get jumbled with the reality.

I do think it's very difficult to ascertain what is "suspicious" behavior in this type of situation. If someone ever feels another passenger is acting suspiciously, it needs to be addressed. I think it probably would have been sufficient to ask him what his shirt meant.

KSig RC · #75 01-08-2009, 12:48 AM

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I do think it's very difficult to ascertain what is "suspicious" behavior in this type of situation. If someone ever feels another passenger is acting suspiciously, it needs to be addressed. I think it probably would have been sufficient to ask him what his shirt meant.

I don't know - this seems like couched crap to me (and I don't mean that as a personal attack or anything, it's just illustrative of a mindset that I think is becoming pervasive that I don't like - I'll elaborate...).

It seems like we have to have it one way or another - either this type of 'suspicious' behavior (of which being Muslim and wearing a shirt with Arabic writing is, um, probably not a good example to start, but bear with me for purposes of illustration) should be dealt with in a strong fashion, such as detainment or in-depth questioning, or we have to admit this just isn't suspicious and move on, because the 'middle ground' option of "Please, sir - what does your shirt say?" seems like the least efficacious and most insulting of all possible options.

I don't know- that's just my initial impression. I could probably be convinced otherwise, but initially, it seems like we're saying "I'm leery, but I realize it's wrong to do anything about it, so I'll espouse fear while giving a very neutral suggestion to fix." Doesn't it really have to be all or nothing, so to speak? Am I missing something?