240,000 dollars awarded to man forced to cover Arab T-shirt

[epchick]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I've never seen it other than on the movies.

Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by epchick

Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

Wow...did I call it or what?

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by epchick

Then that's probably your answer. It was something the movie producers created to add some "drama" to the movie.

I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

Really? Neither were hailed as documentaries, right?

[epchick]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I'd really hope that they wouldn't make something up in a movie like that.

Seeing as how all the people on that flight are deceased, you don't really know what happened (aside from the recorded phone calls). So most of the movie was conjecture.

[AGDee]

I thought I read it in the transcripts between Todd Beamer and the operator he was talking to, when he was describing the men. I also thought it was only one guy.. the one with the "bomb" strapped to him. But, they have taken creative license. I've watched/heard/seen/read so much about that day, the movies get jumbled with the reality.

I do think it's very difficult to ascertain what is "suspicious" behavior in this type of situation. If someone ever feels another passenger is acting suspiciously, it needs to be addressed. I think it probably would have been sufficient to ask him what his shirt meant.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I do think it's very difficult to ascertain what is "suspicious" behavior in this type of situation. If someone ever feels another passenger is acting suspiciously, it needs to be addressed. I think it probably would have been sufficient to ask him what his shirt meant.

I don't know - this seems like couched crap to me (and I don't mean that as a personal attack or anything, it's just illustrative of a mindset that I think is becoming pervasive that I don't like - I'll elaborate...).

It seems like we have to have it one way or another - either this type of 'suspicious' behavior (of which being Muslim and wearing a shirt with Arabic writing is, um, probably not a good example to start, but bear with me for purposes of illustration) should be dealt with in a strong fashion, such as detainment or in-depth questioning, or we have to admit this just isn't suspicious and move on, because the 'middle ground' option of "Please, sir - what does your shirt say?" seems like the least efficacious and most insulting of all possible options.

I don't know- that's just my initial impression. I could probably be convinced otherwise, but initially, it seems like we're saying "I'm leery, but I realize it's wrong to do anything about it, so I'll espouse fear while giving a very neutral suggestion to fix." Doesn't it really have to be all or nothing, so to speak? Am I missing something?

[epchick]

Just a little FYI for those who still don't understand why Arabs hate Israel (and the US support of it)

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...k-1230046.html

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by epchick

Just a little FYI for those who still don't understand why Arabs hate Israel (and the US support of it)

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...k-1230046.html

thanks for posting that, it was a good read


I read an article the other day -in print, no links, sorry- by some Israeli writer and he suggested that peace would only come through a secularization of the region (Palestine/Israel and their shared/disputed land)

Good job for Egypt though, for trying to get peace

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by epchick

Just a little FYI for those who still don't understand why Arabs hate Israel (and the US support of it)

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...k-1230046.html

Hmmm...Over Christmas, I was talking to my (VERY evangelical) parents about the situation. They have a religious basis for protecting Israel at all costs, regardless of what Israel has ever done. I asked them if Israel was completely innocent in all that has happened. To them, it doesn't matter.

I don't believe in killing, period, so I'm in favor of peace all the way around.

[DaemonSeid]

Lets keep this in perspective, a young man who wore this...minding his own business





and lets not forget this gem from MIT



The Fake Bomb Shirt

Now remember she PURPOSEFULLY was seeking attention:

"She said that it was a piece of art and she wanted to stand out on career day," State Police Maj. Scott Pare, the commanding officer at the airport, said at a news conference. "She claims that it was just art and that she was proud of the art and she wanted to display it."


....at the F*CKING AIRPORT????

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3635225&page=1

which bothers you more....?

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Really? Neither were hailed as documentaries, right?

You're right. I thought maybe it was in the description from Todd Beamer.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Lets keep this in perspective, a young man who wore this...minding his own business





and lets not forget this gem from MIT



The Fake Bomb Shirt

Now remember she PURPOSEFULLY was seeking attention:

"She said that it was a piece of art and she wanted to stand out on career day," State Police Maj. Scott Pare, the commanding officer at the airport, said at a news conference. "She claims that it was just art and that she was proud of the art and she wanted to display it."


....at the F*CKING AIRPORT????

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3635225&page=1

which bothers you more....?

This chick bothers me more. Free spirit my ass. I feel like that's making fun of a national tragedy. Why the HELL would anyone do that? (the part about her walking around barefoot on campus kinda grosses me out too)

All of this kinda reminds me of when a friend of mine decided it'd be ok to wear a tshirt with a huge marijuana leaf on the front (kinda like an Adidas logo shirt) and got pulled over by customs on his way either into or out of Canada. He got pulled over strictly because of the shirt.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

You're right. I thought maybe it was in the description from Todd Beamer.



This chick bothers me more. Free spirit my ass. I feel like that's making fun of a national tragedy. Why the HELL would anyone do that? (the part about her walking around barefoot on campus kinda grosses me out too)

All of this kinda reminds me of when a friend of mine decided it'd be ok to wear a tshirt with a huge marijuana leaf on the front (kinda like an Adidas logo shirt) and got pulled over by customs on his way either into or out of Canada. He got pulled over strictly because of the shirt.

on a sort of a sidenote....

I remember hearing never to become 'a walking advertisement' because of perception...moreso if you have NO CLUE as to what you are wearing or whose face you have on your clothes.

Just the same as people I have seen wearing Che or Malcolm or Tupac or even a football jersey simply because 'it's cool' or 'racy' with no bearing as to what other people are going to do.

I believe that the guy in question had no intentions of causing a riot or pissing people off because he probably had a good idea of the purpose of what his shirt stood for when he bought it.

Now the MIT lady...quite a different tangent...she may be a free spirirt, but a shirt like that is provacative and again she is probably lucky to be in one peice...wearing that TO an airport post 9/11 is a recipe for disaster.

Something else to consider: When watching movies, what do would be terrorists in the movies do?

TRY HARD AS HELL TO BLEND IN.

PM...the overarching lesson in this is as I stated before, we cannot dare ASSume that just because someone looks different or more succinctly, looks similar to those who have done us harm are OUT to cause harm because sometimes the main ones out to do are those who look like us as this was pointed out earlier.

Moreso, some of those fears we have, we must get over and move on lest we let our paranoia get the best of us.


I can't tell you what to do about the elevator...but I can say that you walk a fine line when you profile people.

You know what, if you have never seen it before, rent Crash.

Seriously.