Shocked & Disgusted

[starang21]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Maybe I was speaking a little too obliquely. By "in the Oval Office" I meant sitting in the chair behind the Resolute desk in the Oval Office. I meant that, though recent presidents have certainly had the benefit of African-American Secretaries and advisors, none has had the personal perspective or life-experiences of an African-American. It's the idea that a voter has some sense that "the President, from his own experience, has a clue what life is like for me." That's all.

ok, so he's black. he's also still a democrat, a politician, and a man. he still has to fix problems for a country that is 2/3 white. and most of the problems aren't race specific, and affect all americans. call me nuts, but him being black is not going to factor into decision and policy making in anyway.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by starang21

ok, so he's black. he's also still a democrat, a politician, and a man. he still has to fix problems for a country that is 2/3 white. and most of the problems aren't race specific, and affect all americans. call me nuts, but him being black is going to factor into decision and policy making in anyway.

Is there a "not" missing in the last sentence?

I agree with pretty much all of what you said here, except that I think everyone's life experiences factor into their decision making.

But please go back to the context in which I made the statement to start with -- a response to Kevin as to why, if other factors are equal, a decision to vote for Obama because he's black might be ethically or morally different from a decision to vote against him because he's black.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Is there a "not" missing in the last sentence?

I agree with pretty much all of what you said here, except that I think everyone's life experiences factor into their decision making.

But please go back to the context in which I made the statement to start with -- a response to Kevin as to why, if other factors are equal, a decision to vote for Obama because he's black might be ethically or morally different from a decision to vote against him because he's black.

whoops, lol. yea. i said something to the same effect (i.e. pride vs. hate) to him.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Is there a "not" missing in the last sentence?

I agree with pretty much all of what you said here, except that I think everyone's life experiences factor into their decision making.

But please go back to the context in which I made the statement to start with -- a response to Kevin as to why, if other factors are equal, a decision to vote for Obama because he's black might be ethically or morally different from a decision to vote against him because he's black.

Isn't the person who is voting for Obama because he's black not voting for McCain because he's not black? It's ethically different to vote FOR something but in this particular situation you are inevitably voting against someone else for the same reason, but it's their lack of being black - if I'm following the logic here. So really there's no moral highroad. I think the reason it's different here is rooted more in the history of our country rather than the moral difference. To me no one needs to explain it though, it all makes sense. It wasn't a factor in my vote for him but I get why it would be for others.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

Isn't the person who is voting for Obama because he's black not voting for McCain because he's not black? It's ethically different to vote FOR something but in this particular situation you are inevitably voting against someone else for the same reason, but it's their lack of being black - if I'm following the logic here. So really there's no moral highroad. I think the reason it's different here is rooted more in the history of our country rather than the moral difference. To me no one needs to explain it though, it all makes sense. It wasn't a factor in my vote for him but I get why it would be for others.

This is, more or less, the point I was trying to make earlier, as well.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Maybe I was speaking a little too obliquely. By "in the Oval Office" I meant sitting in the chair behind the Resolute desk in the Oval Office. I meant that, though recent presidents have certainly had the benefit of African-American Secretaries and advisors, none has had the personal perspective or life-experiences of an African-American. It's the idea that a voter has some sense that "the President, from his own experience, has a clue what life is like for me." That's all.

exactly and that also is in part why McCain didn't get many votes from the Black community...most of us can't relate to him and surely even fewer can relate or agree with Palin and her policies.....


Altho having a teen duaghter pregnant and a drop out son in law (still babydaddy at this point tho) does give her a tiny bit of street cred.....

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by lovespink88

I've known that racism is still alive in our country. But I am appalled by the reactions and feedback that I saw in my Facebook “News Feed” on Tuesday Night regarding Obama’s win

I understand that McCain supporters are going to be upset that their candidate lost. I would feel the same if I was in their position. But I couldn’t believe the ignorance and hatred I witnessed moments after Obama’s win. I saw a countless number of “Status Updates” from people voicing their displeasure about Obama’s victory. Yes, everyone has the right to do this, but what disgusts me is how many people were making it blatantly obvious that they’re mad at the fact that a black man won. I knew racism was still around, but I guess I was just naïve, not realizing just how bad it really is still.

I’m not accusing all McCain supporters of being against Obama just because he’s black. Everyone has their differences in opinions about political issues and I know these are reasons that many people disagree on candidates. But immediately following the election, I witnessed an overwhelming number of people express their anger about our next President because of his skin color. To these people I say: If you’re going to hate Obama, at least make yourself sound educated and hate him for a real reason—not because he’s black.

It’s 2008. When will we move past this race thing? There are so many other things that we could be doing with this hateful energy. We all know that our country needs some serious changes but we cannot do this divided. We must work together as Americans to help our country out of this mess! I sincerely hope that everyone will soon realize that the racism is useless and will only hinder our progress.


^^^ So that there was a little editorial I wrote and submitted into my school's paper....I'm crossing my fingers that it gets published soon. I just felt so disgusted after seeing a few people's reactions to Obama's win that I felt I needed to do SOMETHING...

And for some of you who may think I'm over reacting, here's a few of the status updates I saw....

"Katie ------- says obama is a poisoin to this country. he is a sin. disgusting."

Sure, that comment is not particularly racist, but here's what she also wrote on someone's wall:

"he's just after money for all the dirty black people like himself"

.....

Another girl wrote

"Samantha -------- think's it's called the WHITE house for a reason"

And another...

"Frankie --------- FREE FRIED CHICKEN AND KOOL-AID IN GRANT PARK"




Is anyone else experiencing or witnessing anything like this? If so, how do you feel about it?

First, I hope you commented on their status and told them their comments weren't OK. People say things like that because they think the people around them will support them. So stop supporting it.

Second, I hope you un-friended those people. I sure as hell wouldn't want to associate in any way with people like that. It makes YOU look bad, too...we all know the way Facebook works.

Third, I haven't seen comments like that in my network because almost every single person on my friends list is an Obama supporter. Most of the status updates were full of joy!

[ZTAMich]

One of the 4th graders I tutor said to me on Wednesday "My mommy says only people with your kind of skin voted for McCain and none of you voted for Obama."

I told her we shouldn't vote for people because of what they look like or if they are a man or a woman. We vote for the candidate whose ideas we agree with.

I think it was a great step for our country in electing our first african american president but sadly it takes more than a new president to change some people's views.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by madmax

PS. Why did you support Obama? I am sure it had nothing to do with the color of his skin.

I just couldn't let this go.

There are a whole lot of white people in this country that voted for Obama, and I know that at least in my case and my friends' cases, it had NOTHING to do with race. There are many people in this country that don't give a second thought to race in these matters, though I know that for some people from some circles and parts of the country, that's hard to believe. What makes you think we're so stupid and naive as to NOT vote for the candidate that shares our views on policy? You do know that there are people in this country that believe in the platform of the democrat party, don't you? I would have voted for whichever candidate shares my ideals, which is usually a democrat. I would have voted for Hillary or Biden if they were the prez candidate, too. John McCain does not believe in or prioritize the things I care about most, which is why I would've never voted for him. Obama does, and that is why I voted for him.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

I just couldn't let this go.

This guy's been jumping down everyone's throat on this particular issue for awhile now by throwing in these little jabs and then running away from a thread when people call him out on it. According to him every snafu that happened in McCain/Palin's campaign would have been GREAT to all of us Obama supporters if Obama/Biden had done it. Because apparently we have no brains, independent thoughts, etc.

[Kevlar281]

University of Texas Football Player Kicked Off Team for Racist Facebook Status Update about Barack Obama

[DaemonSeid]

I dont have time to post it but someone please find Sen's thread about idiots getting caught posting stuff in facebook.....link it here...

Thanks


But 2 words to this loser


dumb

ASS

[WinniBug]

My husband got this text from 2 different people the other night....
"White people need to report to the cotton field at 7:00 tomorrow morning for orientation"

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

Isn't the person who is voting for Obama because he's black not voting for McCain because he's not black? It's ethically different to vote FOR something but in this particular situation you are inevitably voting against someone else for the same reason, but it's their lack of being black - if I'm following the logic here. So really there's no moral highroad. I think the reason it's different here is rooted more in the history of our country rather than the moral difference. To me no one needs to explain it though, it all makes sense. It wasn't a factor in my vote for him but I get why it would be for others.

Bad logic based on a faulty assumption.

That faulty assumption is that the blacks who were already active voters and vote in every election haven't been voting for white candidates for years and wouldn't have voted for a white candidate if Obama wasn't on the ticket.

Which, of course, is untrue. It isn't that these voters would've voted for McCain had he not been white or that they would've sat this election out if the Dem candidate was white. So there is no indication that these black voters are afraid of a white presidency and have distrust or negative feelings towards whites that manifest themselves during election time.

As for the black voters who are new registrees either due to age or due to previous voter apathy, as I said in a previous post, most of these people would've voted for whatever Democratic candidate there was if there was the same enthusiasm and voter outreach. For decades since blacks shifted from being Repubs to being Dems, blacks unfortunately identify with the Democratic party and feel that Dems speak to their social, political, and economic concerns. That has never required a black Dem candidate.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by WinniBug

My husband got this text from 2 different people the other night....
"White people need to report to the cotton field at 7:00 tomorrow morning for orientation"

Who is the ignorant fool (regardless of race) who sent that?