NPC Recruitment & Chapter Listing: Fall 2015-Spring 2016

[ChioLu]

Originally Posted by GoldBows

Wow that's crazy, KKG managed to go 17 over quota which is the amount that DDD bid. Are they on probation or something?

UCLA DDD is not on probation. Just not a strong recruiting chapter.
I wish DDD HQ would send HELP and not just an observer.

LAblondeGPhi -- thanks for getting the numbers!
Can't wait to get the detailed report from UCLA Panhellenic and see where everyone landed!

[ChioLu]

Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi

These are the numbers I have:
UCLA:
Alpha Gamma Delta - 67
Alpha Chi Omega - 77
Alpha Delta Pi - 67
Alpha Phi - 60
Chi Omega - 69
Delta Gamma - 66
Delta Delta Delta - 17
Gamma Phi Beta - 65
Kappa Alpha Theta - 65
Kappa Delta - 66
Kappa Kappa Gamma - 80
Pi Beta Phi - 76

Correction on KKG -- 64, not 80 (per Greek Life office)
all others are accurrate

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by ChioLu

Correction on KKG -- 64, not 80 (per Greek Life office)
all others are accurrate

Ah! I see where I got confused. That does make much more sense, too!

On the note about TriDelta - they were a solid middle chapter when I graduated in 2005. Something happened circa 2006-2008 that changed that, but I don't know what that was. One of my pledge sisters thinks it's the location of their house, which is quite a bit farther down sorority row from the rest of the chapters. I agree that the culture at UCLA isn't always conducive to helping the smaller/weaker chapters out. It's not a campus where you need to be Greek, and a lot of women sign up at the last minute. I think that breeds lots of women dropping out of recruitment among those who don't get invited back to the houses they want.

At any rate, they've been smaller for a number of years, but not quite this dramatically so.
2014: Quota 53, TriDelta 36
2013: Quota 67, TriDelta 42
2012: Quota 50, TriDelta 50 (I believe they didn't match freshman quota, but made up for it with extra upperclassmen)
2011: Quota 54, TriDelta 45

[jolene]

What's the deal with the UCLA Tri-Delt chapter? Did they get in trouble?

[sugar and spice]

What kind of help do you think the national organization should be providing? Obviously it's a frustrating situation, but I think that once you reach the point of a group receiving 1/3rd-1/4th the size pledge class as other groups on campus, they're beyond the help that a national organization could provide. At that point, either the release figures are getting messed up somewhere along the line or (more likely) the majority of PNMs who pref them are refusing to rank them entirely. That's more of a campus culture issue than it is under the national org's power to fix.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by sugar and spice

What kind of help do you think the national organization should be providing? Obviously it's a frustrating situation, but I think that once you reach the point of a group receiving 1/3rd-1/4th the size pledge class as other groups on campus, they're beyond the help that a national organization could provide. At that point, either the release figures are getting messed up somewhere along the line or (more likely) the majority of PNMs who pref them are refusing to rank them entirely. That's more of a campus culture issue than it is under the national org's power to fix.

At that point, I think more groups should seriously consider opting out of formal recruitment and saving their energy and resources for COB.

[jolene]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

At that point, I think more groups should seriously consider opting out of formal recruitment and saving their energy and resources for COB.

As someone who transferred mid year and did COB I'd probably have been terrified by the chanting, matching outfits, five minute convos of formal rush. That could be a great way of finding quality members who didn't sign up in time for formal. I'm the first in my family to go to college much less join a Greek org so for us 'virgins' to all of that, it could be weird. I was very involved in my first (two year) college and transferred to a uni with around 25,000 students (it's since gotten bigger) and didn't realize how hard it would be to get plugged in. I worked in the student union and dealt with a lot of the Greeks and decided joining would be a good way to meet people. I can't believe I'm the only one of my species.

PS: My first college is now a 4 year school with Greek life.

[AOII*Azra-elle]

I lied. Appalachian State voted to decrease campus total recently. I think this was in regards to stacking a third organization when ZTA had come on campus and AGD was yet to colonize. Their current campus total, per recruitment advisor, is 109.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by jolene

As someone who transferred mid year and did COB I'd probably have been terrified by the chanting, matching outfits, five minute convos of formal rush. That could be a great way of finding quality members who didn't sign up in time for formal. I'm the first in my family to go to college much less join a Greek org so for us 'virgins' to all of that, it could be weird. I was very involved in my first (two year) college and transferred to a uni with around 25,000 students (it's since gotten bigger) and didn't realize how hard it would be to get plugged in. I worked in the student union and dealt with a lot of the Greeks and decided joining would be a good way to meet people. I can't believe I'm the only one of my species.

PS: My first college is now a 4 year school with Greek life.

It's really, really, really exhausting to do FR, come up short, and then have to COB, while at the same time trying to retain everyone from FR, many of whom are unhappy with their bid. If you are missing quota by 10-20%, you suck it up and hope HQ sends help, but if you are missing quota by 50% or more? No way it makes sense to do both.

IME, for a WRC, COB women are much easier to retain, too.

[ChioLu]

Is it possible to have another close Tri Delta chapter -- like * USC, LMU, CSLB or UCSB -- to assist with Recruitment? None have fall recruitment at the same time. (I believe that both CSLB and UCSB "borrow" UCLA's Tri Delta chapter house once a year -- like, during UCLA's Spring Break or during the summer -- for member retreats.)
* Univ. abbreviations: USC = Univ. of Southern California, LMU= Loyola Marymount Univ., CSLB = Cal State Long Beach, UCSB = Univ. of California Santa Barbara.

Roughly 2005-ish, a chapter at my university (Tulsa Univ.) was struggling and a dozen or so members from their strong Oklahoma State chapter helped out during 2 conversational rounds (Open House & Entertainment). The chapter got quota+ that year and hasn't struggled since.

[dukedg]

UC Davis Results

Quota was 39 freshman/sophomore and 9 junior for a combined 48 (seniors are free)

Alpha Chi Omega - 47
Alpha Phi - 50
Chi Omega - 64
Delta Delta Delta - 53
Delta Gamma - 48
Kappa Alpha Theta - 51
Kappa Kappa Gamma - 49
Pi Beta Phi - 52

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ChioLu

Is it possible to have another close Tri Delta chapter -- like * USC, LMU, CSLB or UCSB -- to assist with Recruitment? None have fall recruitment at the same time. (I believe that both CSLB and UCSB "borrow" UCLA's Tri Delta chapter house once a year -- like, during UCLA's Spring Break or during the summer -- for member retreats.)
* Univ. abbreviations: USC = Univ. of Southern California, LMU= Loyola Marymount Univ., CSLB = Cal State Long Beach, UCSB = Univ. of California Santa Barbara.

Roughly 2005-ish, a chapter at my university (Tulsa Univ.) was struggling and a dozen or so members from their strong Oklahoma State chapter helped out during 2 conversational rounds (Open House & Entertainment). The chapter got quota+ that year and hasn't struggled since.

That can be good if the women from the other chapters are strictly helpers - ushering girls in, setting out refreshments etc - so the actual chapter members have more time to talk to the PNMs. But there have been SO many rushees on here who said "ABC had women from other chapters there and I felt tricked when I found out the girl I'd talked to all night was from Other State U."

It might be that they are planning an expansion rush and the consultant is there to observe their strengths and weaknesses (and how rushees react to them) before wasting time presenting a lot of concepts and ideas that don't apply. That would make more sense than trying to pick up girls who had a bad rush.

[sugar and spice]

Originally Posted by ChioLu

Is it possible to have another close Tri Delta chapter -- like * USC, LMU, CSLB or UCSB -- to assist with Recruitment? None have fall recruitment at the same time. (I believe that both CSLB and UCSB "borrow" UCLA's Tri Delta chapter house once a year -- like, during UCLA's Spring Break or during the summer -- for member retreats.)
* Univ. abbreviations: USC = Univ. of Southern California, LMU= Loyola Marymount Univ., CSLB = Cal State Long Beach, UCSB = Univ. of California Santa Barbara.

Roughly 2005-ish, a chapter at my university (Tulsa Univ.) was struggling and a dozen or so members from their strong Oklahoma State chapter helped out during 2 conversational rounds (Open House & Entertainment). The chapter got quota+ that year and hasn't struggled since.

That was a popular solution ten years ago, but I think sorority leaders have caught on to the fact that it's usually a stop-gap measure at best and actively harmful at worst. (Like 33girl said, it doesn't stop tent talk, only increases it, and PNMs may feel like they're being tricked or assume that every girl they talked to that they liked was from another chapter, even if that's not the case.) I have actually never heard of a scenario where it created real, long-term change until your post, haha.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

At that point, I think more groups should seriously consider opting out of formal recruitment and saving their energy and resources for COB.

This might be a good solution at this point, but I'm guessing that would involve letting go of the house, which Tri Delta is probably trying to avoid if they can. Although that may not be avoidable at this point, regardless.

[ZTAngel]

Originally Posted by sugar and spice

That was a popular solution ten years ago, but I think sorority leaders have caught on to the fact that it's usually a stop-gap measure at best and actively harmful at worst. (Like 33girl said, it doesn't stop tent talk, only increases it, and PNMs may feel like they're being tricked or assume that every girl they talked to that they liked was from another chapter, even if that's not the case.) I have actually never heard of a scenario where it created real, long-term change until your post, haha.

I agree. We had a chapter on my campus years that had brought in members from their stronger chapters at FSU and UF to help them recruit. Even if a PNM ended up liking this chapter, they didn't want to join knowing that many of the members who were there would ultimately go home to their chapters in Tallahassee or Gainesville the next day. Plus, the tent talk was unrelenting and dug this chapter deeper into a hole that they never got themselves out of. The chapter did reorganize, but they still were unable to overcome their past stigma and eventually folded.

[Benzgirl]

Troy campus total is 188.