Hazing

[travelman357]

If a person on line refuses to be hazed by an individual(s) that unlawfully haze, what happens to that person? Are they kicked off line? Do the individuals in the organization respect that person's standards or do traditions dictate whether the person crosses?

[Senusret I]

It depends on a lot of things.

This is a situation best handled with your best judgment if it happens.

In the meantime, you have a LOT of other things to worry about on your pursuit. Have you attended any events or service yet? Met members? Downloaded an application?

[travelman357]

I have done two out of the three. These steps are easy. The possibility of suffering lasting bodily injury because of some psycho who thinks that is the measure of manhood is my only issue of concern.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by travelman357

I have done two out of the three. These steps are easy. The possibility of suffering lasting bodily injury because of some psycho who thinks that is the measure of manhood is my only issue of concern.

I'm sure you know that there is nothing that any of us can say about what will or won't happen exactly since we are not where you are. You and the chapter are the only ones that have a say in this matter. I'm sure you also know that the NPHC does not condone hazing or pledging (which is seen as one in the same currently) so the one who's being pledged is just as wrong as the members who are involved in the pledge process. The only thing you can do is to express your concerns once you have made some of these men your friends and face the challenges as they come. If there is really something happening or about to happen that you don't agree with, ask to speak with the members about it. They might just respect your standards and if they don't, you'll have to make a decision but you always have a choice to stay or leave. That's the power that everyone has but sometimes people want to act like they don't have any. If something is really against what you believe in, then don't go through with it and the choice should be simple. Also remember that there is always grad chapter and one chapter doesn't necessarily embody the ideas and philosophy of an entire organization. Good Luck!

[adpiucf]

Hazing is illegal and your organization's founders and its current leadership do not want its members to break the law.

If an issue of hazing comes up, leave the situation and notify your collegiate adviser.


Hazing is a felony in many states. It is against the honor code at pretty much every university in America. Many honor codes will expel you from school for hazing.

Victims of hazing who did nothing to prevent the acts from occurring are also held responsible for not reporting it/going along with it.

Do not allow yourself to be hazed. There are better and more constructive ways to build a brotherhood than to belittle or batter its members.

[GatorDG]

Well said, adpiucf. It is hazing that really brings GLO's down - particularly the fraternities. My sons are both out of college, but when my older had just pledged, a boy in another fraternity was found dead in the fraternity house after a hazing party. He had consumed massive amounts of whiskey. It was so very sad for all concerned. Needless to say, the house is no longer at that campus.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by travelman357

If a person on line refuses to be hazed by an individual(s) that unlawfully haze, what happens to that person? Are they kicked off line? Do the individuals in the organization respect that person's standards or do traditions dictate whether the person crosses?

I'm not sure how they're doing the hazing thing now. I pledged back when it was still pretty much o.k. My line did some above ground pledging. We actually had this same situation happen two years after I joined. This guy dropped after being hazed and he told the administration. He was allowed to attend the initiation ceremony, but he got harrassed daily by not only my fraternity but by other greek organizations as well. I actually tried to accept him as a brother, but that didn't help. He tried wearing letters but he was threatened and no other greeks wanted to be seen with him. Sad but true. I felt bad for him. He eventually transferred to another school, but he had the same problem at that school too. The word got out all over about this guy. I never knew what happened to him, but I'm not sure how greeks are now a days. If it's the same, all I can tell you is do what you feel comfortable with, but be careful, because yes, it is a felony now, and prison time is what happens if caught.

[BlueNYC2]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I'm not sure how they're doing the hazing thing now. I pledged back when it was still pretty much o.k. My line did some above ground pledging. We actually had this same situation happen two years after I joined. This guy dropped after being hazed and he told the administration. He was allowed to attend the initiation ceremony, but he got harrassed daily by not only my fraternity but by other greek organizations as well. I actually tried to accept him as a brother, but that didn't help. He tried wearing letters but he was threatened and no other greeks wanted to be seen with him. Sad but true. I felt bad for him. He eventually transferred to another school, but he had the same problem at that school too. The word got out all over about this guy. I never knew what happened to him, but I'm not sure how greeks are now a days. If it's the same, all I can tell you is do what you feel comfortable with, but be careful, because yes, it is a felony now, and prison time is what happens if caught.

wait...let me get this straight...dude was on line, dropped, snitched(b!tched), then became a member? yo, its one thing if you're a skater or paper...but at least you aint snitch/b!tch to get into the org. I dont care how one got in, whether its pledge/skate/paper, but to snitch and force your way in is not wats up in my book. THATS when i have no respect for you....

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

wait...let me get this straight...dude was on line, dropped, snitched(b!tched), then became a member? yo, its one thing if you're a skater or paper...but at least you aint snitch/b!tch to get into the org. I dont care how one got in, whether its pledge/skate/paper, but to snitch and force your way in is not wats up in my book. THATS when i have no respect for you....

Pretty much. He pledged the traditional way up to when the national ceremony took place. After the ceremony we weren't done pledging that line, they still had 8 weeks to go (underground). This guy was done after nationals came down to do the ceremony. He didn't even get the right meanings to the secrets of the fraternity, because we never told them until we decided to cross them. Nationals is nationals, we weren't on that program. We crossed 4 guys, it would have been 5 but he chose not to continue with the pledge process. The funny thing about it is nationals left it up to the undergrad brothers (us) to tell that line what everything on the shield and what Phi Nu Pi meant. Well, we told them, but it wasn't what it meant. We gave them all the wrong info because they still had to pledge 8 more weeks before they were accepted into the fraternity the right way. So I'm assuming he still doesn't know what Phi Nu Pi means, nor any secrets. Any Nupe he talks with might challenge him, and he will know nothing.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Pretty much. He pledged the traditional way up to when the national ceremony took place. After the ceremony we weren't done pledging that line, they still had 8 weeks to go (underground). This guy was done after nationals came down to do the ceremony. He didn't even get the right meanings to the secrets of the fraternity, because we never told them until we decided to cross them. Nationals is nationals, we weren't on that program. We crossed 4 guys, it would have been 5 but he chose not to continue with the pledge process. The funny thing about it is nationals left it up to the undergrad brothers (us) to tell that line what everything on the shield and what Phi Nu Pi meant. Well, we told them, but it wasn't what it meant. We gave them all the wrong info because they still had to pledge 8 more weeks before they were accepted into the fraternity the right way. So I'm assuming he still doesn't know what Phi Nu Pi means, nor any secrets. Any Nupe he talks with might challenge him, and he will know nothing.

That's really despicable.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

That's really despicable.

Agreed.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

That's really despicable.

I was being silly in the above quote, but yeah this really happened. I haven't been back to see pledges since I left school. I've only been back for homecoming, so I don't know if tradition is still being practiced or not. Our chapter is just really big on tradition. I remember sometimes watching some glos sneak their pledges above ground without getting caught by the campus police. It would cause a crowd. The year before I pledged it was legal to pledge above ground and I actually saw it happening. It was something I'm glad to have witnessed, because it was unbelievable seeing something like that up close.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

He pledged the traditional way up to when the national ceremony took place. After the ceremony we weren't done pledging that line, they still had 8 weeks to go (underground). This guy was done after nationals came down to do the ceremony. He didn't even get the right meanings to the secrets of the fraternity, because we never told them until we decided to cross them. Nationals is nationals, we weren't on that program. We crossed 4 guys, it would have been 5 but he chose not to continue with the pledge process. The funny thing about it is nationals left it up to the undergrad brothers (us) to tell that line what everything on the shield and what Phi Nu Pi meant. Well, we told them, but it wasn't what it meant. We gave them all the wrong info because they still had to pledge 8 more weeks before they were accepted into the fraternity the right way. So I'm assuming he still doesn't know what Phi Nu Pi means, nor any secrets. Any Nupe he talks with might challenge him, and he will know nothing.

Let me get this straight. The chapter required 8 more weeks of "underground" pledging after these guys had already been initiated per the national ceremony? And after the national initation ceremony, the chapter lied to the newly initiated about fraternity symbols and secrets and withheld the correct information until these guys had completed the chapter's additional 8 weeks?

Wow.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Let me get this straight. The chapter required 8 more weeks of "underground" pledging after these guys had already been initiated per the national ceremony? And after the national initation ceremony, the chapter lied to the newly initiated about fraternity symbols and secrets and withheld the correct information until these guys had completed the chapter's additional 8 weeks?

Wow.

But it was tradition!!

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Let me get this straight. The chapter required 8 more weeks of "underground" pledging after these guys had already been initiated per the national ceremony? And after the national initation ceremony, the chapter lied to the newly initiated about fraternity symbols and secrets and withheld the correct information until these guys had completed the chapter's additional 8 weeks?

Wow.

You got it. My chapter is a part of the "Bloody Triangle". Greeks pledge the traditional way there. I'm not sure how things are done now but back then it wasn't only hard to get picked but once you were picked, it was that much harder to make it through the pledge process. When I went to the interest meeting for the 1st time there were so many interests, that they had to use two rooms. Only 8 of us got picked to pledge, two dropped out, and 6 of us made it. 16 weeks of pledging. One guy quit 2 weeks before we were initiated into the fraternity. We started pledging on Jan 7th. and were initiated Apr 8th @ 2:26 am.