Who should be allowed to have CANES, aside from NUPES??

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by CentaurDB

This was on point. The SGRhos and da Kappas don't have a tight relationship wit each other like we do wit our sweethearts. I feel you on them Kappas tho. I think they some bitches.

Actually on some campuses the relationship is quite tight (whether I like it or not ) and please don't compare my org to an auxiliary. The dynamics between two organizations on the same professional level (who aren't officially connected) vs. one that "guides/leads" and is the reason for the other will always be at times challenging.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I know we're beating a dead horse here but I just had to throw in my 22 cents.

How SGRho's came to use canes isn't rocket science. There are members/chapters of SGRho that don't step with or twirl canes at all and have no desire to learn for that matter and there are chapters that hold this as a dear tradition that is passed down from line to line. And no this did not start in the 90's. Who said that? Today, a soror can easily find another soror to teach them cane steps (and by the way, some are unique to us) and how to twirl but on those campuses where SGRho and Kappa were/are cool and even considered themselves to have a sister/brother relationship (don't know when this started but was definitely prior to the 90's and yes this did and does exist on some campuses...get over it!), Kappas did indeed teach SGRho's how to twirl. I have witnessed such lessons myself and the Kappas who do the teaching are usually proud and even flattered to see sorors handling their canes so well (not me though, I can't stand Kappas ). Some of my sorors handle them a little too well (just check youtube LOL). Anyway, today of course sorors are teaching sorors regardless of a Kappa/SGRho relationship or lack thereof, so in this way their tradition became our tradition among those members and chapters that embrace it. My undergrad chapter only used staffs when stepping (Spr. '93 in da house!); we never had a desire to use canes and to this day, we are still a non-cane stepping/carrying/twirling chapter.

This was a very interesting read. rhoyaltempest, I'm with you about the SGRho/Kappa relationship thing. When I was in undergrad, we didn't have a close relationship with the SGRhos. We actually did more things with the Deltas than we did with any other sorority. Funny thing is we actually did more with them than the Ques did with them. I remember I met an SGRho from IU, who was visiting, and she came up to me, hugged me, and called me her brother. She was confused because she thought we had the same relationship at CSU as they did at IU. It just depends on which school. LOL @ your dislike of Kappas. Just curious...why?

Originally Posted by FWA_NUPE_HONRE

Well we all know who is known for kanes. Use a kane at your own risk.

Much respekt.

Hey Phi, check out these youtubes. They're old, so I'm sure you might have already seen them, but they're amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq6qv3zoySY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIGeHNDl73I

This step show is pretty (no pun intented ) amazing too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NKJG0XuxdQ

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by CentaurDB

But they aint tight nationally. I wasnt really trying to compare yall like our sweethearts, I was jus sayin that we tight on a national level. I wasnt trying to disrespect yall, tho.

redundant dead horse rant/

Yes, because your sweethearts are sweethearts. Their organizational value is that you all recognize them nationally and haven't abandoned them as other frats abandoned theirs. With that context in mind, of course your sweethearts are tight with you nationally. When we talk about bonds, we are talking about sororities and fraternities and (regardless of the history, etc.) it is more about unconstitutional as compared to constitutional bonds. It's also worth noting that constitutional bond doesn't mean that all of the members like each other and hang together on every campus and in every city.

And I would say I also don't like Krappas. There are some things about the fraternal entity and the men that I have met over the years that have always annoyed me. My friend (who is a member) and I rarely discuss Greekdom despite the fact that he and I are both very active at the alumnae/alumni level. That keeps my Krappa jokes to a minimum so we don't have to fight.

/redundant dead horse rant

[FWA_NUPE_HONRE]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

This was a very interesting read. rhoyaltempest, I'm with you about the SGRho/Kappa relationship thing. When I was in undergrad, we didn't have a close relationship with the SGRhos. We actually did more things with the Deltas than we did with any other sorority. Funny thing is we actually did more with them than the Ques did with them. I remember I met an SGRho from IU, who was visiting, and she came up to me, hugged me, and called me her brother. She was confused because she thought we had the same relationship at CSU as they did at IU. It just depends on which school. LOL @ your dislike of Kappas. Just curious...why?


Hey Phi, check out these youtubes. They're old, so I'm sure you might have already seen them, but they're amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq6qv3zoySY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIGeHNDl73I

This step show is pretty (no pun intented ) amazing too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NKJG0XuxdQ

Phi,

Me and my LBs have watched the Nupe twirling video (brother in the green sweater) hundreds of times. I mean, that dude is amazing to say the least. Which further proves my point, what other organization have you seen that nice with a kane?

Much Respekt.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

This was a very interesting read. rhoyaltempest, I'm with you about the SGRho/Kappa relationship thing. When I was in undergrad, we didn't have a close relationship with the SGRhos. We actually did more things with the Deltas than we did with any other sorority. Funny thing is we actually did more with them than the Ques did with them. I remember I met an SGRho from IU, who was visiting, and she came up to me, hugged me, and called me her brother. She was confused because she thought we had the same relationship at CSU as they did at IU. It just depends on which school. LOL @ your dislike of Kappas. Just curious...why?


Hey Phi, check out these youtubes. They're old, so I'm sure you might have already seen them, but they're amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq6qv3zoySY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIGeHNDl73I

This step show is pretty (no pun intented ) amazing too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NKJG0XuxdQ

Regarding my dislike of Kappas, part of it is me being sarcastic and part of it is me being dead serious. There is way too much SGRho/Kappa drama filled history in my memory (which I won't get into), from campuses like mine where we couldn't stand eachother half the time to campuses where it's Indy this and Indy that all day from both orgs. On my campus we were tight with the Sigmas and Ques and there was always some drama with the Kappas (just wow at some of the things that went down). However, I would be lieing if I said that I don't know Kappas that I like but it's not hard for me to dislike them either. On my campus, we literally had a love/hate relationship although ironically today, it's Indy this and Indy that from both orgs...which is strange as hell for me going back there...LOL! Anyway, I think the biggest thing that turns me off from the whole Kappa/SGRho relationship is when Kappas act like it's the most horrible thing for an SGRho to call them frat. I know it's not like that everywhere but respect is due and there is no need to be nasty. I've been to campuses where it's soror this and soror that and it's not coming from my sorors, so it goes both ways. I personally make it my business not to feed into the male ego so although I am never rude when a Kappa calls me soror, I mostly ignore them unless directly spoken to. And I'll stop right here on this subject.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by FWA_NUPE_HONRE

Phi,

Me and my LBs have watched the Nupe twirling video (brother in the green sweater) hundreds of times. I mean, that dude is amazing to say the least. Which further proves my point, what other organization have you seen that nice with a kane?

Much Respekt.

LOL True. He's also the Nupe in the red shirt. It's the same brother. I won't debate with the Sigmas about which organization was associated with the cane first. If there are some Sigmas who believe that canes were associated with their organization first, then that's cool. They're entitled to their thoughts.

But good point, Nupe.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Regarding my dislike of Kappas, part of it is me being sarcastic and part of it is me being dead serious. There is way too much SGRho/Kappa drama filled history in my memory (which I won't get into), from campuses like mine where we couldn't stand eachother half the time to campuses where it's Indy this and Indy that all day from both orgs. On my campus we were tight with the Sigmas and Ques and there was always some drama with the Kappas (just wow at some of the things that went down). However, I would be lieing if I said that I don't know Kappas that I like but it's not hard for me to dislike them either. On my campus, we literally had a love/hate relationship although ironically today, it's Indy this and Indy that from both orgs...which is strange as hell for me going back there...LOL! Anyway, I think the biggest thing that turns me off from the whole Kappa/SGRho relationship is when Kappas act like it's the most horrible thing for an SGRho to call them frat. I know it's not like that everywhere but respect is due and there is no need to be nasty. I've been to campuses where it's soror this and soror that and it's not coming from my sorors, so it goes both ways. I personally make it my business not to feed into the male ego so although I am never rude when a Kappa calls me soror, I mostly ignore them unless directly spoken to. And I'll stop right here on this subject.

Thanks for answering my question. I can see that it's a touchy subject for you, but I just wanted to elaborate on what you said. About what's in bold. If it's not that hard for you to dislike them, to me, it seems like you already have somewhat of a dislike towards them from the start, based on your own experiences.

I agree with the rest. I think it's silly and childish. When I was an undergrad, it didn't make me a difference one way or the other if an SGRho acknowledged me in that way or not, really.

I'm speaking in general here, but (to me), I think it's one thing to say I don't like the Kappas I've met, or I don't like some of the experiences I've had with some of the Kappas I've come in contact with...it's another thing to make a generalization and say I don't like Kappas, because......

It's nothing wrong with disliking someone or some people in another organization. As far as far as I'm concerned, there are even members you're not going to like in your own organization. I just don't think it's cool to associate a member you (in general) have never met with members you've (in general) met and dislike.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by FWA_NUPE_HONRE

Phi,

Me and my LBs have watched the Nupe twirling video (brother in the green sweater) hundreds of times. I mean, that dude is amazing to say the least. Which further proves my point, what other organization have you seen that nice with a kane?

Much Respekt.

This Sigma isn't that bad. In fact he's pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7xqCovH5Zs

But when you compare....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddu1SYFfO_4

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

This Sigma isn't that bad. In fact he's pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7xqCovH5Zs

But when you compare....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddu1SYFfO_4

No matter who started stepping with/twirling canes first, I just don't like to see Sigmas with canes. It's no doubt because I'm not used to seeing it; just can't help but think Kappa and that goes for others too (aside from us of course). I don't even like to see Sigma Rhomeos do it, who no doubt got it from us. I know...I would be mad at us too. Sorry.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

LOL True. He's also the Nupe in the red shirt. It's the same brother. I won't debate with the Sigmas about which organization was associated with the cane first. If there are some Sigmas who believe that canes were associated with their organization first, then that's cool. They're entitled to their thoughts.

But good point, Nupe.





Thanks for answering my question. I can see that it's a touchy subject for you, but I just wanted to elaborate on what you said. About what's in bold. If it's not that hard for you to dislike them, to me, it seems like you already have somewhat of a dislike towards them from the start, based on your own experiences.

I agree with the rest. I think it's silly and childish. When I was an undergrad, it didn't make me a difference one way or the other if an SGRho acknowledged me in that way or not, really.

I'm speaking in general here, but (to me), I think it's one thing to say I don't like the Kappas I've met, or I don't like some of the experiences I've had with some of the Kappas I've come in contact with...it's another thing to make a generalization and say I don't like Kappas, because......

It's nothing wrong with disliking someone or some people in another organization. As far as far as I'm concerned, there are even members you're not going to like in your own organization. I just don't think it's cool to associate a member you (in general) have never met with members you've (in general) met and dislike.

It's actually not that deep anymore (only when I think of my undergrad days). Of course I was generalizing (don't we all?!) and I did say we had a love/hate relationship. I still feel this way about y'all. I just love to hate you. But seriously, being in an alumnae chapter that's very active in our local NPHC, we are around y'all enough (more than enough for my taste but whatever).

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

No matter who started stepping with/twirling canes first, I just don't like to see Sigmas with canes. It's no doubt because I'm not used to seeing it; just can't help but think Kappa and that goes for others too (aside from us of course). I don't even like to see Sigma Rhomeos do it, who no doubt got it from us. I know...I would be mad at us too. Sorry.

Sound like my Old Heads.

I understand. Being an undergrad that twirled and a grad that still has canes and loves taping them more so than twirling them I'm not the biggest fan of the twirling cane for us.

I like the staff personally.

[BluIcez]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Sound like my Old Heads.

I understand. Being an undergrad that twirled and a grad that still has canes and loves taping them more so than twirling them I'm not the biggest fan of the twirling cane for us.

I like the staff personally.

They do sound like old heads, but all your opinions are respected and appreciated.

I agree with BluPhire, for me, I rather just tape'em up and sport them.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

No matter who started stepping with/twirling canes first, I just don't like to see Sigmas with canes. It's no doubt because I'm not used to seeing it; just can't help but think Kappa and that goes for others too (aside from us of course). I don't even like to see Sigma Rhomeos do it, who no doubt got it from us. I know...I would be mad at us too. Sorry.

I've always thought the stomping and hand clapping coordination from the other 8 glos within the D9 was a lot more difficult than stepping with kanes, at least it looks that way. A good kane show from Nupes will always look good if none of them are dropped.

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Sound like my Old Heads.

I understand. Being an undergrad that twirled and a grad that still has canes and loves taping them more so than twirling them I'm not the biggest fan of the twirling cane for us.

I like the staff personally.

Originally Posted by BluIcez

They do sound like old heads, but all your opinions are respected and appreciated.

I agree with BluPhire, for me, I rather just tape'em up and sport them.

I agree with BluIcez and BluPhire, here. I have two kanes that I taped up a few years ago, just to hang on the wall. I stopped spinning kanes my senior year in college.

[teena]

Originally Posted by teena

I think that the elderly should be able to have canes.

I still agree with this

[BluIcez]

u would.... and they do....

[P.N.O.T.Y.]

personally i feel if you took it, then you can carry it


'nuff said'