Pan-Hellenic

[sigmadiva]

Originally posted by kddani
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation.

It's been discussed here on GC plenty that this is NOT really all that appropriate or currently accurate. The preferences of those in those GLOs have been clearly expressed, yet so many posters fail to respect that. I don't understand why, seems pretty ignorant and rude.

ETA- I'm sorry if this comes across snippy. But it has been made clear that this isn't a proper way to address the groups.

To continue to fan the flames.....

In reference to NPC's being called historically White, I really (and sincerely) do not understand why people are getting offended. Note the term historically , meaning in the past . If anyone can provide evidence of there being an African American woman initiated into an NPC before 1960 / 1965 - and the chapter was not closed because an attempt was made to initiate an African American woman, then please provide it.

Now, I do agree that in these days and times NPCs are no longer majority or exclusively White. So, to refer to NPCs as WGLO's would be incorrect and offensive, but to deny an occurrance in history would be wrong.

Again, correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that part of the reason AOII was started was because there were Jewish women (i.e., they were not Protestant) who were denied membership to other NPCs because they were Jewish. Should AOII just ignore that part of their history? I would think not.

Historically Black GLOs are just that historically Black, meaning that in the past the members were (exclusively) Black. These days it is common to see White, Hispanic and Asian members of HBGLOs.

Again, not trying to offend, just trying to understand. I guess that one can assume that for most of the history of NPCs they had all White membership, so to point it out is like pointing out the obvious.

Originally posted by sigmadiva
To continue to fan the flames.....

In reference to NPC's being called historically White, I really (and sincerely) do not understand why people are getting offended. Note the term historically , meaning in the past . If anyone can provide evidence of there being an African American woman initiated into an NPC before 1960 / 1965 - and the chapter was not closed because an attempt was made to initiate an African American woman, then please provide it.

In "Our Kind of People: The Story of America's Black Upper Class", by Lawrence Otis Graham -- it is mentioned that Barbara Delaney was the first African-American woman initiated into the NPC when she became a member of Sigma Kappa at Cornell University in either 1956 or 1957.

Obviously I am not an SK, so only SKs would be able to verify that info via their sister directory.

I did a search of the Cornell University Greek Life site and did not find an existing Sigma Kappa chapter there. Still, the reasons why that chapter may or may not have closed is no one else's business but the members of Sigma Kappa.

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by sigmadiva
Again, not trying to offend, just trying to understand. I guess that one can assume that for most of the history of NPCs they had all White membership, so to point it out is like pointing out the obvious.

There have been other threads about this, and I think I said something similar....

I think it's just best to accept that they don't like the term and to refrain from using it. Though I understand both sides of the debate, as an outsider to the NPC/NIC, it's just better if I call them what they prefer to be called, and describe them as "general" fraternities and sororities as described in Baird's.

Yes, we are "general" fraternities and sororities, too, but we don't mind being called Black, historically Black, cultural, or whatever.

[_Lisa_]

Originally posted by OTW
In "Our Kind of People: The Story of America's Black Upper Class", by Lawrence Otis Graham -- it is mentioned that Barbara Delaney was the first African-American woman initiated into the NPC when she became a member of Sigma Kappa at Cornell University in either 1956 or 1957.

Obviously I am not an SK, so only SKs would be able to verify that info via their sister directory.

I did a search of the Cornell University Greek Life site and did not find an existing Sigma Kappa chapter there. Still, the reasons why that chapter may or may not have closed is no one else's business but the members of Sigma Kappa.

Oddly enough, there isn't a lot of information. Our sister database has no mention of a Barbara Delaney. You already know that we don't have a chapter at Cornell but our chapter there was closed in 1956.

I've emailed HQ to see if they can verify whether Barbara Delaney was ever a member of our organization.

Originally posted by crzychx
Oddly enough, there isn't a lot of information. Our sister database has no mention of a Barbara Delaney. You already know that we don't have a chapter at Cornell but our chapter there was closed in 1956.

That is odd, considering her name and your sorority pops up every time there's a Greek Life facts page!

If she really wasn't the first African-American initiated into the NPC, then who was? And when?

And I double checked my sister directory, and there really was a Diana M. Lam initiated into the AGD-U. of British Columbia chapter in 1953.

[_Lisa_]

Originally posted by OTW
That is odd, considering her name and your sorority pops up every time there's a Greek Life facts page!

Hopefully HQ can settle it then & soon. I think its definitely something that needs an explanation!

[Alphababy]

ok sorry my spelling is wrong....but I know sorority is not offensive. Nope not all sororities were founded by white, however it originated from white people. Now, back to you Ms.D the word "FRAT" is offensive I did not use that word in any way. I used the sord sorority, but I don't take it offensive. Now Mr.OTW if you also read what I stated it tells you that they did begin by white people...not saying that they were only founded by whites because AKA and Delta Thetha Sigma was founded by African American Ladies and Lambda Alpha Theta is a Latino Sorority...actually the first and biggest. Now next time please read carefully and you will understand.

Love-

Ms. Alpha Baby

[kddani]

Originally posted by Alphababy
ok sorry my spelling is wrong....but I know sorority is not offensive. Nope not all sororities were founded by white, however it originated from white people. Now, back to you Ms.D the word "FRAT" is offensive I did not use that word in any way. I used the sord sorority, but I don't take it offensive. Now Mr.OTW if you also read what I stated it tells you that they did begin by white people...not saying that they were only founded by whites because AKA and Delta Thetha Sigma was founded by African American Ladies and Lambda Alpha Theta is a Latino Sorority...actually the first and biggest. Now next time please read carefully and you will understand.

Love-

Ms. Alpha Baby

I'm sorry, but i'm not really following your post. Perhaps you wrote it in a hurry.

[Alphababy]

OOPPS LET ME EXPLAIN. I did not mean to say sororities were founded by whites. I meant to say that it did started by anglos....now I am not saying AKA or DTS was founded by whites, clearly they were founded by African American Women. However, fraternities and sororities were founded by white studfents and this gave the ideas to other students, and so on. Understand now??

Originally posted by Alphababy
ok sorry my spelling is wrong....but I know sorority is not offensive. Nope not all sororities were founded by white, however it originated from white people. Now, back to you Ms.D the word "FRAT" is offensive I did not use that word in any way. I used the sord sorority, but I don't take it offensive. Now Mr.OTW if you also read what I stated it tells you that they did begin by white people...not saying that they were only founded by whites because AKA and Delta Thetha Sigma was founded by African American Ladies and Lambda Alpha Theta is a Latino Sorority...actually the first and biggest. Now next time please read carefully and you will understand.

Love-

Ms. Alpha Baby

Paging AXO Alum! This one is too damn tragic for me to respond.

I can't believe I've been called Mr. OTW so many times this year...

If you're going to educate the GC masses about AKA and DST, at least make sure you spell it right. And while you're at it, make sure you get their letters in the right order.

[Alphababy]

what is wrong with you and your aggressive attitude??

[Sock Puppet]

Don't take it personally, she's an alchoholic who has no tact. She can't control her diarrhea of the mouth.

In fact, if you'll look at of sample of her posts, you'll see that she rarely has anything of value to say.

Originally posted by Sock Puppet


In fact, if you'll look at of sample of her posts, you'll see that she rarely has anything of value to say.

Funny, I could say the same thing about you.

Originally posted by Alphababy
what is wrong with you and your aggressive attitude??

And what's wrong with you?

No seriously, what's wrong....with you?

[kddani]

Originally posted by Sock Puppet
Don't take it personally, she's an alchoholic who has no tact. She can't control her diarrhea of the mouth.

In fact, if you'll look at of sample of her posts, you'll see that she rarely has anything of value to say.

I'm sorry that your day isn't getting any better. Maybe a good night's sleep will cure you.