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05-12-2004, 11:09 PM
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i couldn't watch the real tape, but i saw the pics after it happened and them holding his head.....my prayers.....
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05-12-2004, 11:17 PM
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wow.. i can't even begin to comment 
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05-13-2004, 12:06 AM
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I felt sick to my stomach today. I was grabbing food when I overhear a girl talking about how the media makes everyone seem like a hero when they die. She went on to say this guy was there to make money - as if making money made him deserving of this.
I didn't know this girl, but all I wanted at that minnute was to punch her in the neck. Stupid idiot. Why are there always people out there that do this? This happened with Tillman. It happens all the time with absolute piece of sh*t who feel the need to revel in others' misfortune and horror by making them deserving of it.
-Rudey
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05-13-2004, 07:50 AM
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I go with the "extremist" definition, add maniacs to the brew and the Ted Bundy correlation as well.
An editorial comment. AKA-MY OPINION. For the full effect, please click on the link!
http://www.treefort.org/~rgrogan/web/flagmusic.htm
I don't know how long this incident will strengthen our so called resolve, but about now I am sick to death of all this bashing against the US and our soldiers. What people fail to realize is no war can avoid innocents being maimed or killed. No war is clean. If anything, we have been too soft and should have struck harder
from the get go. HOW can you have a "PC" war?!?!?!?
If we could go back in time and "torture" someone into telling us about 9-11, I'd say, "Give ME the darn cattle prod!"
Is it right-who knows, but I'm leaning towards the "greater good" theory on this subject.
The excuse that our actions incited those animals to MUTILATE Nick Berg makes me want to VOMIT! As it was pointed out, the Pearlman tragedy was PRIOR to any of those photos breaking.
The "plots" that are coming to light as reported in various countries, reestablishing cells and actively recruiting more people to perform Jihad should get your attention!
It does not matter at this point if you believe the war was justified or not-MOOT POINT!
By choice or design-This IS the time-this IS the stand. If we fail-we will NEVER know what freedom- Good old 4th of July, flag waiving, picnic in the park, AMERICAN FREEDOM-means again!
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05-13-2004, 08:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by justamom
I go with the "extremist" definition, add maniacs to the brew and the Ted Bundy correlation as well.
An editorial comment. AKA-MY OPINION. For the full effect, please click on the link!
http://www.treefort.org/~rgrogan/web/flagmusic.htm
I don't know how long this incident will strengthen our so called resolve, but about now I am sick to death of all this bashing against the US and our soldiers. What people fail to realize is no war can avoid innocents being maimed or killed. No war is clean. If anything, we have been too soft and should have struck harder
from the get go. HOW can you have a "PC" war?!?!?!?
If we could go back in time and "torture" someone into telling us about 9-11, I'd say, "Give ME the darn cattle prod!"
Is it right-who knows, but I'm leaning towards the "greater good" theory on this subject.
The excuse that our actions incited those animals to MUTILATE Nick Berg makes me want to VOMIT! As it was pointed out, the Pearlman tragedy was PRIOR to any of those photos breaking.
The "plots" that are coming to light as reported in various countries, reestablishing cells and actively recruiting more people to perform Jihad should get your attention!
It does not matter at this point if you believe the war was justified or not-MOOT POINT!
By choice or design-This IS the time-this IS the stand. If we fail-we will NEVER know what freedom- Good old 4th of July, flag waiving, picnic in the park, AMERICAN FREEDOM-means again!
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JAM, just wondering, is the author trying to say that the bashing of the Abu Gharib prison guards is not warranted? Most of the coverage when it pertains to Abu Gharib is squarely on the perpetrators.
The author should realized that the torture is more then what have been shown to the public. Those pictures, according to many Senators that have seen it, are more distrubing. There are now reports of murders and rapes in the prison.
The Berg's murder and the Abu Gharib torures/rapes/murders are independently outreagous. In both cases, they need to be investigated, and the killers and perpetraors should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. To say otherwise in either case is unacceptable.
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05-13-2004, 10:43 AM
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I just can't watch it. I also can't look at the pictures of the prisoner abuse. I cannot fathom that a human being could be so cruel and heartless to another human being.
There are reports surfacing now that Berg was offered a flight out of Iraq by the U.S. government but refused because he felt the trip to the airport would be dangerous. He also traveled around pretty much freely and unguarded, something that definitely should not have been done. Whether it was out of naivety or bravado, we'll never know. What does matter is that this was horribly tragic. I think in the future Americans working in Iraq will be more apt to heed the advice of the State Dept. and other authorities.
The Berg family definitely needs to be in our prayers.
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05-13-2004, 12:19 PM
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JAM, just wondering, is the author trying to say that the bashing of the Abu Gharib prison guards is not warranted? Most of the coverage when it pertains to Abu Gharib is squarely on the perpetrators.
No, the "author" is not saying that.
The author should realized that the torture is more then what have been shown to the public. Those pictures, according to many Senators that have seen it, are more distrubing. There are now reports of murders and rapes in the prison.
The author has heard this from a very credible source (as well as others...FINALLY) and believes it is true. 
The Berg's murder and the Abu Gharib torures/rapes/murders are independently outreagous. In both cases, they need to be investigated, and the killers and perpetraors should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. To say otherwise in either case is unacceptable.
This is where the author is uncertain.
Yes, I believe there is a line that one should not cross, EVEN when dealing with terrorist. The photos yet to be shown -at least I haven't seen the new ones-will most certainly show that the line WAS crossed. What that line is, probably varies from individual to individual.
To ME, all the sexual situations for ANY prisoner is wrong, WRONG, wrong! Random brutality is as well. Yet, I do believe there is a time and place for the use of forceful persuasion-truth serum-isolation-and psychological threat. I also think, percentage wise, REGARDLESS of the RCRC views, this is minuscule in terms of our forces. Sadly, there will be some who are pulled into this undeservedly.
The author is just sick and tired of taking crap from partisans and other countries, who, with this one example-the UN Oil for Food scandal-have their imprint on more extensive tortures because they helped perpetuate the heinous acts of dictators like Saddam.
Ps-The author has been tied up lately. 
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05-13-2004, 12:36 PM
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Some people are so intent on forgetting American suffering at the expense of the "human rights" of these prisoners.
In my opinion we should be burning whole villages down right now and not playing PR games with the world.
-Rudey
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05-13-2004, 12:48 PM
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In my opinion we should be burning whole villages down right now and not playing PR games with the world.
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It's been done before.
See: "Calley, William"
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05-13-2004, 12:56 PM
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Quote:
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It's been done before.
See: "Calley, William"
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See: "Vietnam, No Relation".
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05-13-2004, 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by Rudey
See: "Vietnam, No Relation".
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See: Wrong.
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05-13-2004, 01:01 PM
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Actually I've called you on this repeatedly and you never can say why. So create a thread. Let's have fun. You always do claim I'm so very good at baiting people, so let me bait you again pops.
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05-13-2004, 02:50 PM
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Didn't you guys read this part of the article:
Sounds like correlation to me.
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Um, no. The US does not negotiate with terrorists. Any such offer is nothing but posturing.
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05-13-2004, 02:53 PM
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You know . .. this whole Hating the Jews thing is sooo 1940. you think people would move on by now.
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And Wahabism is sooooooo 1750. Can you say "regional clusterfuck?" I knew you could.
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05-13-2004, 03:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rudey
Some people are so intent on forgetting American suffering at the expense of the "human rights" of these prisoners.
In my opinion we should be burning whole villages down right now and not playing PR games with the world.
-Rudey
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Ja Rudey
Jawohl! wir zerquetschen den widerstand! Für das Vaterland!
because afterall we have heard statements like yours before.... and the excuse that "I was following orders"....
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