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sugar and spice · #46 10-30-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by AXJules

And that is why we girlfwiends!!!!

Kiss kiss!

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Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
I'm glad that one summer spent working in a bike outfitters store has made you and expert on all things biker and qualifies you to speak on behalf of all bikers.

I spent one summer volunteering at a Boy's and Girl's club in Bryan, Texas, does that make me an expert on AfAm youth? i think some of the posters on GC would be quick to say Hell No. I have SEEN bikers wearing what i call do-rags, what others call bandanas.

There is a HUGE difference between a Kimono and hip hop gear. When the slave traders were bringing the slaves over to the New World were they chasing men and women wearing FUBU or sagging jeans? No. A kimono is a traditonal way of dress, bling bling is an amalgamation of different styles and fashion trends that is shared equally amongst American youth. If i had said, traditional African dress is dumb, and i don't like it, then THAT would have been a similar statement.

Kitso
KS 361 times i knew this thread would go this way, not because i wanted it to, but because we can't have a convo like this w/o something playing the race card

I think that someone who has worked with "biker apparel," while not an expert, would have at least a working knowledge of what bikers put on their heads. And the problem with bandanas is that they are more likely to come off your head while you're riding a motorcycle, which is why headwraps were invented. Sure, there are bikers who wear bandanas but they are not as prevalent by a long shot.

But that doesn't even touch on the relevant issue, which is that the term "do-rag," which was your choice of words in the original post, is NOT associated with biker culture, or any aspects of Hispanic or white culture, but rather with the "bling bling" culture that you described.

I think we can all agree that race is a more complicated issue than biker apparel so let's not even get into that analogy. Ditto on the kimono/bling bling -- I agree that there is a difference but not big enough to negate the comparison.

And what it comes down to is that nobody is playing the race card, or trying to make this into a race issue. This is a race issue, pure and simple. You were the one that brought it up, thus you were the one that "made it into a race issue."

Rudey · #47 10-30-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by ChaosDST
Adult discussions aren't about changing opinions. They are about sharing them.

Adult discussions are about sharing for sure.

-Rudey
--But usually they cost 2.99 the first minute and then 1.99 every minute after that.

lovelyivy84 · #48 10-30-2003, 04:26 PM

I disagree. We share our opinions, but discussions are ultimately about examining all angles of an issue and the POSSIBILITY of change. You don't have that here. You can share and share as much as you like with no effect whatsoever. Chances are someone will either accuse you of being "ilk" or turn the thread into a whose is bigger contest.

Pointless.

Rudey · #49 10-30-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
But that doesn't even touch on the relevant issue, which is that the term "do-rag," which was your choice of words in the original post, is NOT associated with biker culture, or any aspects of Hispanic or white culture, but rather with the "bling bling" culture that you described.

So why did Uncle Jesse (who is a big prick and needs to get dumped by Rebecca since she wants some of me) call it that?

-Rudey

sugar and spice · #50 10-30-2003, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
So why did Uncle Jesse (who is a big prick and needs to get dumped by Rebecca since she wants some of me) call it that?

-Rudey

Because Full House was written by conservative middle-aged white men whose mamas didn't let them ride motorcycles, and they did not understand the nuances of biker culture.

sugar and spice · #51 10-30-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
says who?

I have ALWAYS heard it referred to as a do-rag, and i grew up with white people. We would laugh at the white trash folks and their do-rags. When my hair was longer in HS i would wear one around the house and my grandmother would tell me to take my do-rag off. So, i'm sorry if some other culture in America has taken the phrase 'do-rag' and made it "THEIRS". I will heretofore ask permission of all cultures before i use any phrases that they may also use.

traditional cultural dress does NOT equal hip hop dress. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. thousands of years of tradition do NOT equal 10 years of exposed boxers.

Why is hip hop fashion soley a racial issue? i posit that you see just as many white or hispanic or indian kids wearing this clothing as black kids. The majority of the young people on the rez up here wear that crap, so by saying i think it's stupid i am NOT saying that one race's culture is stupid.

Kitso
KS 361

I'm glad your family was so equal opportunity, but honestly? If you take a survey of the average American, the connotation the majority of them would have with the word "do rag" would either be of a black person, or of a person of another race imitating what they consider to be black culture. The term "do rag" originated with African-Americans (originally it was used by African women in slavery; it was the thing they put over their hair while they conditioned it to straighten it) . . . thus no, blacks are not taking an aspect of American culture and making it "theirs," the rest of Americans are taking an aspect of black culture and making it THEIRS. Let's not get started on cultural appropriation.

Senusret I · #52 10-30-2003, 04:56 PM

This is a do-rag. Do-rags are usually made of synthetic, silk-like fabric. They have a form....they fit the top of your head, flow out in the back, and may be tied with two strings at either side. (The strings are just an extension of the fabric.)

Bandanas are squares of cotton fabric. A bandana COULD be called a do-rag if it indeed protects your (hair)do, BUT because true do-rags allow the hair to "breathe" while protecting it from the elements and being mussed, it is much better for your hair than a cotton square. They are different.

I am not sure what the difference is between those two and the biker headwrap is.

Rudey · #53 10-30-2003, 05:07 PM

Am I retarded or something because i have no idea what the hell you guys are all arguing about.

-Rudey
--Sometimes I like to wear a crown around because I'm royalty but i'd be ok with the working class wearing crowns and stuff occasionally.

sugar and spice · #54 10-30-2003, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
This is a do-rag. Do-rags are usually made of synthetic, silk-like fabric. They have a form....they fit the top of your head, flow out in the back, and may be tied with two strings at either side. (The strings are just an extension of the fabric.)

Bandanas are squares of cotton fabric. A bandana COULD be called a do-rag if it indeed protects your (hair)do, BUT because true do-rags allow the hair to "breathe" while protecting it from the elements and being mussed, it is much better for your hair than a cotton square. They are different.

I am not sure what the difference is between those two and the biker headwrap is.

Biker headwraps would be more similar to the do-rag, but with different shaped "tails" in the back and usually made of a different fabric (often cotton).

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Originally posted by Rudey
Am I retarded or something because i have no idea what the hell you guys are all arguing about.

-Rudey
--Sometimes I like to wear a crown around because I'm royalty but i'd be ok with the working class wearing crowns and stuff occasionally.

And by "crown," he means tiara.

Rudey · #55 10-30-2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
And by "crown," he means tiara.

Don't hate.

-Rudey
--I look pretty.

damasa · #56 10-30-2003, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
Suspension Bridge Blaine!!!

Kitso
KS 361 flying camels in my nerd glasses, just for Jules

Dude, it's all about the Eiffel. That's the only way to go.

GeekyPenguin · #57 10-30-2003, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by AXJules
OH

MY

GAAAAAAAAAAWD!

ROTFLMGDAO!!!

Ok ok I was kidding, I think my girlfriends (Kath, FAB, Heather)would get mad if I cheated on them.

Sorry for the thread hijack kitso!
So the consensus is.....huge baggy pants, yes or no??

We sure would! We're not bi, we're straight up girly.

I vote no on the huge baggy pants, unless they are for bed and I can floor you.

sugar and spice · #58 10-30-2003, 07:13 PM

Hey now.

Kath is one of those "trendy bisexuals."

damasa · #59 10-30-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
Hey now.

Kath is one of those "trendy bisexuals."

You aren't allowed to talk "spirit fingers."

sugar and spice · #60 10-30-2003, 07:20 PM

My secret is out.