Ghettopoly? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[damasa]

Originally posted by starang21
that wasn't abercrombie's only transgression. they put out shirts with "cute and funny" caricatures of asian people. the PR director actually had the gall to say he thought asian folks would find it funny. well, the asian community had something to say about that.

True, but I was talking about the scenario(s) surrouding A&F entering the mainstream market of "college-aged" and "young adults." This was well before the controversy (among many) involving said shirts.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by cashmoney
Blah blah blah blah, you done?





Back to topic!

What do you think she was talking about?

To all:

Regarding the A & F incident, did they eventually pull the T0shirts?

[damasa]

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
I think it's interesting that the majority of the people who say they have no problems with the game and think it's funny are not members of the racial group being mocked. Last semester I attended a program on racial stereotypes and perceptions. The audience was made up of campus leaders of all races and ethnicities. The main speaker ask the group to list all of the stereotypes that came to mind about african americans. Most of the people were hesitant but eventually people began to list stereotypes like "likes fried chicken, ghetto, loud, ect".... all of the stereotypes had a pretty negative imagery associated with them. Next the speaker asked the group to list all of the stereotypes associated with whites. The group quickly listed things like, "wealthy, powerful, ect". All of the stereotypes the group listed and associated with whites were more positive. The fact is that African-American's are consistenly viewed within the American media and unfortunately by people who have little to no contact with African-American's negatively. Within the media we are portrayed as being dangerous, drug users, gangster's, ect. This game continues to portray these stereotypes and that is what is hurtful to many African Americans. The fact that no matter how much a person works, achieves, and carries themself in a manner that disputes these stereotypes, many people will still view us in this manner.

I'm not saying this to be a smart ass but can we really assume what race/ethnicity most people on the internet are? After all, we are merely a bunch of words that are sometimes different colors and fonts. Maybe it's a little different though if we know eachother a little more, I dunno.

I do know that I don't agree with the game because I think it depicts negative stereotypes.

[VirtuousErudite]

Originally posted by damasa
I'm not saying this to be a smart ass but can we really assume what race/ethnicity most people on the internet are? After all, we are merely a bunch of words that are sometimes different colors and fonts. Maybe it's a little different though if we know eachother a little more, I dunno.

I do know that I don't agree with the game because I think it depicts negative stereotypes.

I said majority specifically in my post because I know one of the people who said they didn't have a problem with the game is African American. I've been on gc for over two years and just by reading different posts many people have shared their ethnicities within posts over the years.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
What do you think she was talking about?

To all:

Regarding the A & F incident, did they eventually pull the T0shirts?

yeah, they did. after petitions and stuff like that were filed and there was a big deal about it.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
I think it's interesting that the majority of the people who say they have no problems with the game and think it's funny are not members of the racial group being mocked. Last semester I attended a program on racial stereotypes and perceptions. The audience was made up of campus leaders of all races and ethnicities. The main speaker ask the group to list all of the stereotypes that came to mind about african americans. Most of the people were hesitant but eventually people began to list stereotypes like "likes fried chicken, ghetto, loud, ect".... all of the stereotypes had a pretty negative imagery associated with them. Next the speaker asked the group to list all of the stereotypes associated with whites. The group quickly listed things like, "wealthy, powerful, ect". All of the stereotypes the group listed and associated with whites were more positive. The fact is that African-American's are consistenly viewed within the American media and unfortunately by people who have little to no contact with African-American's negatively. Within the media we are portrayed as being dangerous, drug users, gangster's, ect. This game continues to portray these stereotypes and that is what is hurtful to many African Americans. The fact that no matter how much a person works, achieves, and carries themself in a manner that disputes these stereotypes, many people will still view us in this manner.

I think it's easier for certain people to not be offended because they are not constantly fighting the idea that they will behave a certain way because of the color of their skin. BTW, I find it interesting that so many people are saying that they are "laughing at themselves". No you are laughing at the people being stereotyped and belittled by this game and in this particular case it is African Americans. If you've seen the cover of the box you'll know that it features an African American male with overexaggerated features, olding a gun and smoking a blunt.

Call me over sensitive if you will. It's not cute. It's not funny.

OK but what if it's just the neighborhood and lifestyle as opposed to the race? If you walk around the south side of chicago, you see all that. If you don't believe me, come with me and we'll take a stroll. You will see the "ghetto" and it will be filled with blacks from the lower economic bracket. Is the game making fun of the race or the neighborhood? Is it playing on a stereotype or is that pretty much how the "ghetto" is? I don't know what ghetto doesn't have hookers and homeless people drinking 40's.

-Rudey

[VirtuousErudite]

Slight Hijack,

This summer I had my internship in Chicago and worked on the South Side. 47th and State!!! I'm now moving to Chicago after school.


Now back to the subject. The subject of the neighborhood is not funny. Although the ghetto does have "hookers and homeless " people is that funny. The ghetto also has families who are working hard to improve thier situation. I think the game makes a one-sided joke about something that's not particularly funny. Especially to the people living in that situation OR the people who are not in that situation but are lumped into that group simply because of the color of their skin.

Originally posted by Rudey
OK but what if it's just the neighborhood and lifestyle as opposed to the race? If you walk around the south side of chicago, you see all that. If you don't believe me, come with me and we'll take a stroll. You will see the "ghetto" and it will be filled with blacks from the lower economic bracket. Is the game making fun of the race or the neighborhood? Is it playing on a stereotype or is that pretty much how the "ghetto" is? I don't know what ghetto doesn't have hookers and homeless people drinking 40's.

-Rudey

[breathesgelatin]

I agree with Virtuous Erudite. I worked at a homeless shelter in Washington, DC this summer. People who talk about the "ghetto" really get on my nerves. Have you ever met someone or tried to get to know someone or had friends who live in these areas?

Basically, stereotyping just shows your own ignorance. I am LMAO at all the people who get mad at bad Greek publicity/stereotyping but seem to think that you can say anything at all about those of other races or ethnic heritages.

Also thought I'd add that I have seen Greekopoly. I almost bidded on a copy on eBay. It wasn't a homemade version... so... if you search you can probably find it.

And another note... even if you aren't offended at the idea of "redneckopoly" or whatever... I bet you wouldn't think it was nearly as hilarious.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
Slight Hijack,

This summer I had my internship in Chicago and worked on the South Side. 47th and State!!! I'm now moving to Chicago after school.


Now back to the subject. The subject of the neighborhood is not funny. Although the ghetto does have "hookers and homeless " people is that funny. The ghetto also has families who are working hard to improve thier situation. I think the game makes a one-sided joke about something that's not particularly funny. Especially to the people living in that situation OR the people who are not in that situation but are lumped into that group simply because of the color of their skin.

LOL. Ok I think the area you worked in wasn't that bad. Like it's definitely not pretty and I probably wouldn't feel too great about being there that late, but that's not really south enough. South is where the cops pull you over for being white and tell you to stop being stupid and to get out of there. I honestly wouldn't recommend Chicago to you though. Do you have any idea what it's like when it's cold here? Or how about being a really dead city? Awful, awful place.

And while I understand how there are people trying to improve their situations, they are surrounded by what the game shows. Would it have been better to show some good folks in the game to paint a realistic picture of the neighborhood? I doubt that would have changed how you feel.

-Rudey
--I swear if Mrs. O'Leary's cow burns down Chicago again, I think I'll really be ok with it.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by breathesgelatin
I agree with Virtuous Erudite. I worked at a homeless shelter in Washington, DC this summer. People who talk about the "ghetto" really get on my nerves. Have you ever met someone or tried to get to know someone or had friends who live in these areas?

Basically, stereotyping just shows your own ignorance. I am LMAO at all the people who get mad at bad Greek publicity/stereotyping but seem to think that you can say anything at all about those of other races or ethnic heritages.

Also thought I'd add that I have seen Greekopoly. I almost bidded on a copy on eBay. It wasn't a homemade version... so... if you search you can probably find it.

And another note... even if you aren't offended at the idea of "redneckopoly" or whatever... I bet you wouldn't think it was nearly as hilarious.

So people stereotype by showing what's going on in the ghetto is what you're trying to say?

-Rudey
--OK

[VirtuousErudite]

Originally posted by Rudey
LOL. Ok I think the area you worked in wasn't that bad. Like it's definitely not pretty and I probably wouldn't feel too great about being there that late, but that's not really south enough. South is where the cops pull you over for being white and tell you to stop being stupid and to get out of there. I honestly wouldn't recommend Chicago to you though. Do you have any idea what it's like when it's cold here? Or how about being a really dead city? Awful, awful place.

And while I understand how there are people trying to improve their situations, they are surrounded by what the game shows. Would it have been better to show some good folks in the game to paint a realistic picture of the neighborhood? I doubt that would have changed how you feel.

-Rudey
--I swear if Mrs. O'Leary's cow burns down Chicago again, I think I'll really be ok with it.

Well I'm from Tennessee and the area I worked in was pretty poor, or at least alot more poverty than I am used to seeing. My job was in the heart of the Robert Taylor homes if you are familiar with it. The problem comes when people, or in this case Mr. Chang, choses to highlight drugs, guns, and gangs as if that is the end all be all of life in "the ghetto". I doubt Mr. Chang was trying to highlight the horrors of poverty with this game. It seems like he was just trying to make light of an awful situation.

Hijack,

I LOVED Chicago. I'm not really afraid of the cold and the city had wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more to do than where I'm from. It was far from dead, I went to things every single day.

[James]

I think that the more PC-Sensitive GC'ers are a pretty defineable group, and would probably agree with you lol. I don't see them posting here for the most part. And while they are generally outspoken, they seem to avoid any type of confrontation in threads that mention race issues.

But I think they would mentally be rooting you on if its any consolation lol.

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Interesting comments from some ofyou....

I'll keep them in mind the next time some of you start whining when the next thread of.............

" ____________ is making Greeks look bad" or

"___________is giving Greeks a bad image".

is started.

[James]

This is a thoughtful post VE.

But you know as well as I do there are also different issues to the perception. Issues such as dress codes, spoken lanuage, and body lanuage that differ from the generally accepted maintstream.

It seems that media and art reinforce these genuine cultural differences to the detriment of the people that embrace them. We can discuss MTV hoodlum culture. The lyrics of rap songs etc . . .

A game such as ghettopoly, good or bad, is a shining reflection of a self-perpetuating cultural exaggeration perpetuated or created through more pervasive mediums such as music, TV, movies and literature.

I can sympthaize though with community leaders that may feel thats its much easier to attack a single board game, company, and owner than tackle the truly difficult social issues. Social issues that no doubt seem so large as be completely daunting.

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
I think it's interesting that the majority of the people who say they have no problems with the game and think it's funny are not members of the racial group being mocked. Last semester I attended a program on racial stereotypes and perceptions. The audience was made up of campus leaders of all races and ethnicities. The main speaker ask the group to list all of the stereotypes that came to mind about african americans. Most of the people were hesitant but eventually people began to list stereotypes like "likes fried chicken, ghetto, loud, ect".... all of the stereotypes had a pretty negative imagery associated with them. Next the speaker asked the group to list all of the stereotypes associated with whites. The group quickly listed things like, "wealthy, powerful, ect". All of the stereotypes the group listed and associated with whites were more positive. The fact is that African-American's are consistenly viewed within the American media and unfortunately by people who have little to no contact with African-American's negatively. Within the media we are portrayed as being dangerous, drug users, gangster's, ect. This game continues to portray these stereotypes and that is what is hurtful to many African Americans. The fact that no matter how much a person works, achieves, and carries themself in a manner that disputes these stereotypes, many people will still view us in this manner.

I think it's easier for certain people to not be offended because they are not constantly fighting the idea that they will behave a certain way because of the color of their skin. BTW, I find it interesting that so many people are saying that they are "laughing at themselves". No you are laughing at the people being stereotyped and belittled by this game and in this particular case it is African Americans. If you've seen the cover of the box you'll know that it features an African American male with overexaggerated features, olding a gun and smoking a blunt.

Call me over sensitive if you will. It's not cute. It's not funny.

[James]

Don't pick on breathesGelatin, she is good people.

Originally posted by cashmoney
Seems like a lot of things are sick to you.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally posted by James
Don't pick on breathesGelatin, she is good people.

awwww... I love you James!