The 10 Commandments and Alabama - Page 4

2017law · #46 08-28-2003, 01:40 PM

I will probaly regret this but...

1- The 10 Commandments were given to Moses at Mt Sinai and are therefore JEWISH.
2- Before there was nothing besides Catholicism a theologian said that the 10 Commandments did not apply to the Jewish-Christians as they were known, so to say that they are Judeo-Christian is incorrect. Only those Commandments the Church said applied now do, which makes the whole 10 Commandments argument moot.
3- As a law student if I have to hear the separation of church and state argument from a professor 1 more time I will scream!!
Swearing on the Bible (new or old) in court is a violation, as is the monument in the Alabama courthouse.
4- As to why Christians are "presecuted" for their beliefs- I hate to say this, but it's the Christians who are the KKK, the Christians who fought in the Crusades trying to change the Muslims into Christians and it was the Christians who built gas chambers and killed 11 million people- Jews, Gypsys, and other "non-believers" in the Holocaust.
5- Along those same lines, it is the Christians who found some obscure quote in the bible that gave them cause for slavery.
6- Again, it is the Christians who are being "picked on" b/c they throw their religion in your face and tell you that you're going to hell if you don't believe what they do!!!

The 10 Commandments in the Alabama courthouse is a violation of church and state- that's the bottom line!
As a judge, the Ala Supreme Court justice knew this and violated the rules of Judicial Conduct by violating those rules. He then went further and ignored the order of the Supreme Court of the United States- that's called anarchy!!
We have laws in this country and it is the job of the judges to enforce them. If he only chooses to enforce those rules he wants, what's to stop him from no longer enforcing the Amendment abolishing slavery?

Done ranting!!
CAS
PS- I will not answer PMs.

MattUMASSD · #47 08-28-2003, 01:42 PM

well done!

adduncan · #48 08-28-2003, 02:04 PM

If we're going to descend into equating Nazism , the KKK, etc w/ all of Christianity and twist history to do it (very tenuous allegories at best) then this thread is over the line and I'm calling the moderators to have it locked/deleted.

Those of you who claim Christians are bad for whatever reason would do well to check yourselves for bigotries of your own.

MattUMASSD · #49 08-28-2003, 02:08 PM

I dont see anything wrong with this post. 2017law did not attack anyone, just made a few statements that are somewhat if not all accurate.

justamom · #50 08-28-2003, 03:05 PM

2017law, I do not follow your premise...at all

2- Before there was nothing besides Catholicism a theologian said that the 10 Commandments did not apply to the Jewish-Christians as they were known, so to say that they are Judeo-Christian is incorrect. Only those Commandments the Church said applied now do, which makes the whole 10 Commandments argument moot.
I'm confused by your point here, or at least by what you are trying to say. Catholicism is a rather new religion, there has always been SOMETHING besides Catholicism...and a theologian's words-in my opinion-takes a back-seat to God's words.
4- As to why Christians are "presecuted" for their beliefs- I hate to say this, but it's the Christians who are the KKK, the Christians who fought in the Crusades trying to change the Muslims into Christians and it was the Christians who built gas chambers and killed 11 million people- Jews, Gypsys, and other "non-believers" in the Holocaust.

This sounds similar to my 3rd grade lesson in "sets and subsets".
.5- Along those same lines, it is the Christians who found some obscure quote in the bible that gave them cause for slavery.
Point 2 and 5- Part of the reason we have so many Christian denominations is due to people trying to interpret God's Word.
Plus, it is my very humble opinion that you crossed the line of this threads decorum...
Your post-this is again IMHO-is not a valid argument. You have drawn parallels with sweeping INdiscrimination.
It also seems like a tad too much emotion emotion and conjecture. More like a Christian Bar-B-Q than an argument one would hear in a debate.
Adduncan-I guess if they can lock a thread centered on Southern rush they can sure lock this one. It would be a shame. It has been nice to have a mental stretch...while it lasted.
edited "cause I missed THIS jewel-6- Again, it is the Christians who are being "picked on" b/c they throw their religion in your face and tell you that you're going to hell if you don't believe what they do!!!

Now this is just flat out wrong.

Honeykiss1974 · #51 08-28-2003, 03:39 PM

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As to why Christians are "presecuted" for their beliefs- I hate to say this, but it's the Christians who are the KKK, the Christians who fought in the Crusades trying to change the Muslims into Christians and it was the Christians who built gas chambers and killed 11 million people- Jews, Gypsys, and other "non-believers" in the Holocaust.

Sigh..........

Don't you just love SWEEPING generalizations?

This is no different than saying "people who support the removal of the monument are ALL atheist"

. How silly!

I with adducan on this.........

justamom · #52 08-28-2003, 03:43 PM

UH OH...I see John

bethany1982 · #53 08-28-2003, 03:52 PM

The wonderful curiosities of prejudice. Religiophobes are just are ignorant as homophobes. Those wicked 10 Commandments may jump on someone, and....

Honeykiss1974 · #54 08-28-2003, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
...And going forward, how do we reconcile this and where do you draw the line?

Your thoughts, please........

I was serious about this question.

Because frankly this concerns me and not only from a Christian standpoint, but just in general. Say what you will, in this litigatious society some other group of people will be challenging other symbols (regardless if they are considered "secular" by the general public).

DeltAlum · #55 08-28-2003, 04:47 PM

2017law,

I have to agree that you've gone over the line.

I will agree with two points. The Ten Commandments, given to Moses, were for the Jews. Maybe not Jewish, but given to them.

Not being a lawyer, it still seems to me that the Alabama case in question is clearly in violation of the law. Whether that law is good or bad doesn't matter.

The rest of your post is a little far out there.

Optimist Prime · #56 08-28-2003, 05:28 PM

I think the 2017's argument was valid. Harsh, yeah, but you need that sometimes. Burning a cross on some one's lawn is pretty harsh too.

2017law · #57 08-28-2003, 07:27 PM

For the record I am not religion-phobic. My closest friends are of all religions.
The bottom line of my argument was that according to the Constitution of the USA the monument is a violation of the law. As for being too harsh or generalizing I have been the victim of all sorts of prejudice for being Jewish. You try being in a minority, it's not fun. As for early Christianity I have studied it greatly and early Christian theologians did say that the 10 Commandments and the Old Testament did not apply to Christians- hence why you don't believe in keeping kosher. The only Commandments that apply and the ones that the Church has said you do.
Like it or not, it's the truth.
CAS
PS- If you want the thread closed by all means go right ahead. The truth hurts.

sugar and spice · #58 08-28-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by blueGBI
Personally, I dont see what everyone is so angry about why the 10 amendments. Its not like the judge was saying, you have to believe in Jesus or in God. Most of the 10 commandments can be found in our laws.

The only two commandments that I can see that also exist in legal form are "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not steal." The rest aren't directly found in American laws.

To continue with 2017law's point -- nobody is saying that all Christians are evil just because of the KKK, Holocaust and the Crusades, and if you read it that way, then . . . sigh. But the fact of the matter is that certain religions have more of a precedent than others for killing in the name of their God. Christianity has struggled with that issue, and now Islam is struggling with it today. Others have as well. Whether or not it's legitimate, Christianity has a reputation for being a religion that persecutes (as does Islam, whereas Judaism has a reputation for being persecuted).

Optimist Prime · #59 08-28-2003, 08:08 PM

Thanks sugar and spice. I think you are everything nice

And maybe some Chemical X so you can be like the powerpuff girls.

I was thinking about my past lives the otherday. I really hope I was never a great prophet of any religion, because if I was, I would have been wrong, obviously if I'm back here, and now all those people that followed me and still worship me today would be totally screwed.

Optimist Prime · #60 08-28-2003, 08:10 PM

Let my clarify that last post, what I was trying to say is, My bad for East Germany. I won't let it happen again.

Yeah, go me. Why not just piss off everybody at once? Why bother to spread it out over a long period of time so that your puplicist can at least try to cope with it? Jerk.