Question to the Female APO's - Page 4

Virtuous Woman · #46 05-20-2003, 09:17 AM

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I only know of two organization that is constitutionally bound to the other and that is Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. and Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. (a BGLO) Think about it!!!

AMEN!

gamma_girl52 · #47 05-20-2003, 10:13 AM

I completely agree with you. We are not bound together in a formal way...but we can work together in the name of service, especially in "our" communities where it is most needed. Our National Convention is in July. A joint workshop with some of APO's officers will be occuring so hopefully, this is a big step forward in our organizations learning more about one another, and working together.

Just to clarify. I only started this conversation to get some varied opinions from you guys, hopefully I did not offend anyone. Like it or not, it's an issue that needs to be addressed. Yes it is a small issue when you look at what else is going on in our organizations, but it still needs to be addressed. So, I am grateful and extend my thanks to all of you that have responded so far.

aquafina03 · #48 05-20-2003, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Virtuous Woman
AMEN!

Right on Sista! I agree with you about the woman holding the chapter down. Aint That the Truth!!!

Bro. Jones · #49 05-20-2003, 12:32 PM

...well...

true, without the women, APO would not be where it is today. ratios alone depict that in our chapter, without the women, we would fail. since the rechartering of Psi Phi, there has ALWAYS been more women than men:

33 Resurrected: 21 women, 12 men
12 Runaways: 7 women, 5 men
20 Excuses: 8 women, 12 men
16 Conspiracy Theories: 11 women, 5 men
15 Ways to RunTelDat: 10 women, 5 men
Total: 57 women, 39 men (59.37% women)

Most, if not all, of the the ladies that have come through were hard working and very productive for the fraternity chapterwise and nationally. But, let's not count out the men, because without 3 men in particular, there wouldn't even be a chapter at TSU. We need each other... plain and simple. Heck, if you look in the pledge manual on page 9, it states "the late 1960's and early 1970's were years of great turmoil on college campuses. The "anti-establishment" movement resulted in a drop in membership for many campus organizations especially fraternities and sororities; Alpha Phi Omega was affected as well. In fact, many chapters were declared inactive. Admitting women as members was seen by many as the solution to declining membership." Without women in the frat, who is to say that APO would even exist today nationally?

Now, about these men that just wish to exclude women as part of the fraternity, they are just ignorant. Ladies, please do not view this as the thoughts of ALL men in the fraternity. In every apple tree, there will be a few bad apples. There is nothing that can be done about it, but they wish to continue in their "old ways". But, I guess it's like the saying goes, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." I hope that none of you women have to run across any of these individuals while as members of OUR beloved organization. As long as you have a membership card, you are alright in my eyes

Open statement to ALL... male and female
Please, respect where the fraternity once was... (all male)
Please, respect where the fraternity will be... (co-ed)

With the issue with APO/GSS... we must realize that at one time in history, there were no women allowed into the fraternity. If you know your history, women were only "snuck" into the frat through certain chapters until that faithful National Convention in 1976. This is why we basically have GSS. Men would do service with APO, and women would do service with GSS. That's just the way it was then. Times have changed, but it does not mean that the two organizations have to part their separate ways (though the two were NEVER constitutionally bound). I have ran across a few women who think that the men of APO should totally disregard GSS because they have women in APO, and should have to sociallize with any other women outside of the organization. Now, how would this make you feel if you were in GSS, and your founding was somewhat based off of APO, but some of the female members want to totally disregard you?

GSS does service, APO does service...
GSS is co-ed, APO is co-ed...
either get with it or get left behind.

in leadership, friendship, service, and equality

bro_strawter · #50 05-20-2003, 12:38 PM

(my bad, I meant to quote your post about BBSA)

lol! I'll be sure to send the regards.

But naw, all jokes aside, if you don't know any of them I KNOW you know the ace

I'm hopefully the Gamma Sigs and APO's at TSU can set the standard of co-existing with each other, being that we are co-ed and all. That would be a great thing, and it would also shut alot of people up!

bro_strawter · #51 05-20-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bro. Jones
...well...

true, without the women, APO would not be where it is today. ratios alone depict that in our chapter, without the women, we would fail. since the rechartering of Psi Phi, there has ALWAYS been more women than men:

33 Resurrected: 21 women, 12 men
12 Runaways: 7 women, 5 men
20 Excuses: 8 women, 12 men
16 Conspiracy Theories: 11 women, 5 men
15 Ways to RunTelDat: 10 women, 5 men
Total: 57 women, 39 men (59.37% women)

Most, if not all, of the the ladies that have come through were hard working and very productive for the fraternity chapterwise and nationally. But, let's not count out the men, because without 3 men in particular, there wouldn't even be a chapter at TSU. We need each other... plain and simple. Heck, if you look in the pledge manual on page 9, it states "the late 1960's and early 1970's were years of great turmoil on college campuses. The "anti-establishment" movement resulted in a drop in membership for many campus organizations especially fraternities and sororities; Alpha Phi Omega was affected as well. In fact, many chapters were declared inactive. Admitting women as members was seen by many as the solution to declining membership." Without women in the frat, who is to say that APO would even exist today nationally?

Now, about these men that just wish to exclude women as part of the fraternity, they are just ignorant. Ladies, please do not view this as the thoughts of ALL men in the fraternity. In every apple tree, there will be a few bad apples. There is nothing that can be done about it, but they wish to continue in their "old ways". But, I guess it's like the saying goes, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." I hope that none of you women have to run across any of these individuals while as members of OUR beloved organization. As long as you have a membership card, you are alright in my eyes

Open statement to ALL... male and female
Please, respect where the fraternity once was... (all male)
Please, respect where the fraternity will be... (co-ed)

With the issue with APO/GSS... we must realize that at one time in history, there were no women allowed into the fraternity. If you know your history, women were only "snuck" into the frat through certain chapters until that faithful National Convention in 1976. This is why we basically have GSS. Men would do service with APO, and women would do service with GSS. That's just the way it was then. Times have changed, but it does not mean that the two organizations have to part their separate ways (though the two were NEVER constitutionally bound). I have ran across a few women who think that the men of APO should totally disregard GSS because they have women in APO, and should have to sociallize with any other women outside of the organization. Now, how would this make you feel if you were in GSS, and your founding was somewhat based off of APO, but some of the female members want to totally disregard you?

GSS does service, APO does service...
GSS is co-ed, APO is co-ed...
either get with it or get left behind.

in leadership, friendship, service, and equality

Well (snap)

Bro. Jones · #52 05-20-2003, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by bro_strawter
I'm hopefully the Gamma Sigs and APO's at TSU can set the standard of co-existing with each other, being that we are co-ed and all. That would be a great thing, and it would also shut alot of people up!

that was exactly what i was hoping. i was hoping that we at TSU could prove it is possible to co-exist. APO and GSS. For TSU to set the precedent for future HBCU co-ed chapters (having both male AND female... and not a huge majority of either gender), this would just be another notch in the belt.

bro_strawter · #53 05-20-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by sweete81
Ditto with #18 (although 9 * 2= 18, 1+8=9!!!)

That is the larger issue at hand!!! To me that is just like someone slapping up my real brother!!! No matter how I may feel or what I say about him, I wish a n!99@ would say or do something to him and I am going to put a clappin to someone. You know why, cause he is all I have in this world!!! And that is how bruhs should treat each other cause you did not cross those sands by yourself!!! I am a neo as of APRIL 26, 2003 yet I feel like this issue has been a thorn in both orgs since I began the quest to uphold the torch and trefoil!!! Trying to divide bruhs like a foster home, sheesh (double crossings, different calls, can't trust some of the bruhs {shinning and grinning in my face and whispering something else in my male bruh's ear} etc...I have never heard of any other co-ed organizations, Greek or not doing such!!!)

You ever heard of KK Psi and Tau Beta Sigma. I'm sure you have, they have chapters at Howard.

In addition, I wouldn't necessarily say females are holding anything down. If anything, they are doing what they suppose to be doing anyway....it's called "your role a brother." If it's way more females in the chapter (ZPhi's case) then of course females would naturally be in power (which I don't have a problem with).

There's so much more I could say, but do to time constraints I won't. I'll just say this, you're a neo. You have ALOT to learn. You will though

Big Papa 29 · #54 05-20-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by Bro. Jones
...well...

true, without the women, APO would not be where it is today. ratios alone depict that in our chapter, without the women, we would fail. since the rechartering of Psi Phi, there has ALWAYS been more women than men:

33 Resurrected: 21 women, 12 men
12 Runaways: 7 women, 5 men
20 Excuses: 8 women, 12 men
16 Conspiracy Theories: 11 women, 5 men
15 Ways to RunTelDat: 10 women, 5 men
Total: 57 women, 39 men (59.37% women)

Most, if not all, of the the ladies that have come through were hard working and very productive for the fraternity chapterwise and nationally. But, let's not count out the men, because without 3 men in particular, there wouldn't even be a chapter at TSU. We need each other... plain and simple. Heck, if you look in the pledge manual on page 9, it states "the late 1960's and early 1970's were years of great turmoil on college campuses. The "anti-establishment" movement resulted in a drop in membership for many campus organizations especially fraternities and sororities; Alpha Phi Omega was affected as well. In fact, many chapters were declared inactive. Admitting women as members was seen by many as the solution to declining membership." Without women in the frat, who is to say that APO would even exist today nationally?

Now, about these men that just wish to exclude women as part of the fraternity, they are just ignorant. Ladies, please do not view this as the thoughts of ALL men in the fraternity. In every apple tree, there will be a few bad apples. There is nothing that can be done about it, but they wish to continue in their "old ways". But, I guess it's like the saying goes, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." I hope that none of you women have to run across any of these individuals while as members of OUR beloved organization. As long as you have a membership card, you are alright in my eyes

Open statement to ALL... male and female
Please, respect where the fraternity once was... (all male)
Please, respect where the fraternity will be... (co-ed)

With the issue with APO/GSS... we must realize that at one time in history, there were no women allowed into the fraternity. If you know your history, women were only "snuck" into the frat through certain chapters until that faithful National Convention in 1976. This is why we basically have GSS. Men would do service with APO, and women would do service with GSS. That's just the way it was then. Times have changed, but it does not mean that the two organizations have to part their separate ways (though the two were NEVER constitutionally bound). I have ran across a few women who think that the men of APO should totally disregard GSS because they have women in APO, and should have to sociallize with any other women outside of the organization. Now, how would this make you feel if you were in GSS, and your founding was somewhat based off of APO, but some of the female members want to totally disregard you?

GSS does service, APO does service...
GSS is co-ed, APO is co-ed...
either get with it or get left behind.

in leadership, friendship, service, and equality

WOW WELL STATED BROTHER!!!

#18 S.O.T. APO · #55 05-20-2003, 04:37 PM

True, I have heard about TBS and KK Psi, and true TBS is co-ed at certain schools but it is no longer at our school...

As far as women holding it down...in the case of Z Phi , there would be no Z Phi had the women not did their job as a petitioner because so many times the ball could have been dropped...heck the entire beta line is ALL females for a reason.

But, We do not discount nor discredit the men of Z PHI, they are my LB's and I love them for life, and I know that they will not let ANYBODY disrespect any bruh of Z PHI whether they be a bruh or a soror.

True we are neos and that is why this is the season of venting and learning, because now we can experience and vent all the things that we couldn't say as a petitioning group... but honestly, i say experience is the best teacher. We are talking about things that may not be the case everywhere, that is why during the fall I am planning visiting many chapters including Psi Phi, to get that experience.

So holla at me, cause I am always down for Road Trips with my LB's and Neos.

Bro. Jones · #56 05-20-2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by #18 S.O.T. APO
that is why during the fall I am planning visiting many chapters including Psi Phi, to get that experience.

So holla at me, cause I am always down for Road Trips with my LB's and Neos.

you're always welcome. you will not be the first to make a road trip to see us... and hopefully, not the last.

just let us know. im sure "attractive" will keep you informed.

sweete81 · #57 05-20-2003, 06:48 PM

Bro. Jones
Now, about these men that just wish to exclude women as part of the fraternity, they are just ignorant. Ladies, please do not view this as the thoughts of ALL men in the fraternity. In every apple tree, there will be a few bad apples. There is nothing that can be done about it, but they wish to continue in their "old ways". But, I guess it's like the saying goes, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." I hope that none of you women have to run across any of these individuals while as members of OUR beloved organization. As long as you have a membership card, you are alright in my eyes

Open statement to ALL... male and female
Please, respect where the fraternity once was... (all male)
Please, respect where the fraternity will be... (co-ed)

Thank you so much for your perspective!!! I agreed with everything that you stated. And I hope that I didn't come off as a male basher because the men hold it down in our chapter too!!! (Personally, I think that it is a perk having a co-ed frat! (By the way, you have a double bruh at Howard! Our tail #24 A.P.O. is also a brother of Phi Mu Alpha, Zeta Iota Chapter! (he is #3 Atlas of S.O.T.P.)

Gamma Girl 52
Just to clarify. I only started this conversation to get some varied opinions from you guys, hopefully I did not offend anyone. Like it or not, it's an issue that needs to be addressed. Yes it is a small issue when you look at what else is going on in our organizations, but it still needs to be addressed. So, I am grateful and extend my thanks to all of you that have responded so far.

I was not offended. Actually, I am glad that you and not a bruh of APO brought up the "issue." It was interesting to hear a response from a different party and you not only challenged me to think about my views on the issue but also encouraged me to learn about GSS outside of their ties to Zeta Phi.

One of the things that I would like to see is an APO convention either fall or spring for African Americans in which we can network and deal with issues that your chapter or individuals may have with the frat, campus, or anything else!! IF you are interested, holla back!!

News at Nine
9-ZP-03 AI
24 Survivors of the APOcalypse

A Phi Que till the day I'm through...
Zeta Phi till the day I die!!!

Gamma Girl 52, If the conference does happen, It would be nice to have a representative from your organization such as yourself present to educate us all about GSS!!

gamma_girl52 · #58 05-21-2003, 09:37 AM

Hey I'm there if I'm asked to be! It sounds like a wonderful idea.

Attractive#7 · #59 06-01-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by gamma_girl52
n short it's all about where you feel comfortable and what you feel comfortable doing. We're both separate orgs with similar interest in mind...so I think we shoud at least try to work together.

Well said...alright for a #7!!!

gamma_girl52 · #60 06-02-2003, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Attractive#7
Well said...alright for a #7!!!

'Preciate that!!
Sometimes the right answer is the simplest one!