Who's Out? Interesting site about gay members of greek orgs - Page 4

SigmaChiGuy · #46 08-16-2002, 11:21 AM

Humor:

This campus and org. was not listed on the site mentioned above, but it needs to be, because I verified all the info., and its all true because I verified all the info. Did I tell you that I verified all the info, so its true.

Bob Frapples was a gay member of the Gamma Alpha Upsilon(GAU) chapter of Sigma Epsilon Chi(SEC) at Bryant University of Technology Teachers.

zchi2 · #47 08-16-2002, 11:24 AM

The reason why I'm so defensive about this subject is that I know a lot of gay people in the greek system and a lot of them are scared to come out or they are having a really hard time in the greek system being gay. Some have transfered schools and/or are very suicidal because the people who they call their sisters or brothers no longer want anything to do with them. I believe that greeks are just in deep denial about the subject and they really need to get a reality check.

kddani · #48 08-16-2002, 11:53 AM

Very suicidal? A lot of them? If so, I suggest you try to get them professional help.

Who's in denial? What are you talking about? All of us on here have admitted that we're sure there are some gay members of our orgs. No one has said "there's no gay members of my org".
Don't know what more we can do?

I think you need to get a reality check and calm down. The problem of homophobia is not limited to just greeks. These "friends" whose "brothers and sisters no longer want anything to do with them"- is every other person in their life 100% supportive?

This is a problem with SOCIETY, not the greek system. All of us are tired of the Greek system getting such a bad rap- all of us that just binge drink, cause trouble, etc. etc. The media portrays us as the sole perpetrators of these things, when in reality it's the entire college population. You saying greeks are in deep denial, etc. etc. is doing the same thing as the media.

People form their own beliefs long before they join the greek system. Some people's religions and personal experiences influence their opinions and beliefs. Being greek has nothing to do with it. These problems are not JUST a part of greek people.

I have no problem with homosexual people being a part of my org. When i was an undergrad, we did have a sister come out. Guess what, we didn't care, she was still the same person.

And what is your opinion then, of people on that site representing themselves as members of orgs which they are not a part of? How is that justifiable?

zchi2 · #49 08-16-2002, 12:24 PM

A lot of greeks are in deep denial, because the greek system gives an appearance of being so straight more than any other organization on campus because of the formals, parties, etc. I hate it when greeks say "my sister isn't gay, because she dates boys" when I know that she is actually secretly dating a girl. Also what I see all the time is that certain organizations "allow" one openly gay person in their organization, but when two, three, or four want to join, then it becomes a problem. There is this unsaid fear of becoming "the gay sorority or fraternity" on campus. This doesn't happen with the biology association or the psychology network, just greeks. I just want the greek community to know that it can exist in their chapter. I think that greeks more than any other organization on campus needs to become more "gay-friendly" because of the sisterhood and brotherhood that we claim to have. Please just don't assume anything.

It just almost seems like people are treating this list like it is a pedophile list. Personally I didn't check the entire list to see what other greeks on the list went to my school and then check the organization's website to make sure it was actually chapter there. I really didn't care. Keep in mind that a lot of time national websites don't list inactive chapters on their website. They could be just old school greeks. If you all are really that concern why don't you e-mail that person and ask them.

33girl · #50 08-16-2002, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by zchi2
I think that greeks more than any other organization on campus needs to become more "gay-friendly" because of the sisterhood and brotherhood that we claim to have.

You're absolutely right. BUT A WEBSITE WITH INCORRECT/UNSUBSTANTIATED INFORMATION ISN'T THE WAY TO DO IT.

lionlove · #51 08-16-2002, 12:46 PM

I agree that more should be done to help homosexuals feel comfortable in the Greek System but having an innacurate, flawed listing of out of the closet members is not going to help.

MysticCat · #52 08-16-2002, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by zchi2
It just almost seems like people are treating this list like it is a pedophile list.

Please identify just one post that even implies that someone is treating this list like a pedophile list.

We'll try this again -- no one has denied that we have gay brothers or sisters, nor has onyone (in this thread, at least) indicated opposition to having gay brothers or sisters. We have objected to the possibility that the names of our GLO's may be used dishonestly.

Look at it this way. The idea of a list like this is to (1) be supportive of closeted gays or people struggling with sexual orientation by offering encouragement and affirmation, and (2) show the rest of the world that their "brothers and sisters" are gay or lesbian. Are these goals furthered or undermined if the list includes names of non-existent people or of names in non-existent chapters? I would say undermined.

DeltAlum · #53 08-16-2002, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl

You're absolutely right. BUT A WEBSITE WITH INCORRECT/UNSUBSTANTIATED INFORMATION ISN'T THE WAY TO DO IT.

I don't have the time or energy to get into yet another drawn out thread on the "Gays in Greekdom" topic.

I have not read this entire thread. I'm not going to.

But, I took a quick look at the website in question. 33girl is on the money. If I could get a list of names, chapters and schools for everyone on GC, I could enter every one of us on that site. Or, I could enter the names of everyone I've ever disagreed with. Or anyone with a screen name I don't like. Or anyone who goes to a college I don't like.

How would you prove the truth one way or the other? It's kind of like answering the question, "Did you stop beating your wife?" Whether you answer yes or no, you're still suspect.

Some of the names are probably actual gay members who listed themselves, and I am impressed by thier courage, but a lot of the listings are probably bogus.

DWAlphaGam · #54 08-16-2002, 04:21 PM

zchi2, I think you're being a little too defensive here. No one has said anything about being offended that their GLO is listed on the site. We all agree that we would welcome our gay or bisexual sisters/brothers with open arms. I would not be shocked or disappointed or offended or anything if I found out that any of my sisters from my chapter or anywhere in the world were gay. I was actually surprised that there was only one name listed, because I'm sure that there are many more gay or bisexual sisters. The reasons I decided to verify the name listed under Alpha Gamma Delta on that website were (1) I had never heard of that university, and I wasn't sure if we had a chapter there in the past or the present, (2) it was only one name, so it only took about 2 minutes for me to check into it, and (3) FuzzieAlum had just mentioned that it could probably be tampered with, so I was curious and I decided to check it out the easiest way I could, which was with my own organization. I didn't check the entire list searching for false information; I only checked that one name. And since that one entry ended up being false, I'm apt to believe that many of the other entries are also false. Therefore, I think this site in particular should not exist unless it can somehow be made more secure and they can have someone verify the information that is presented. I don't want someone saying on the internet that they are a member of my GLO when they are not as much as I don't want someone walking around on the street wearing my letters and saying they are in my GLO when they are not.

DGTracy · #55 08-16-2002, 07:22 PM

I feel like I should defend myself or something. Now I have nothing against homosexual people and I have nothing against homeosexual people in the greek system. If you're gay, then that's fine. I don't care what anyone's sexual preference is. But God forbid that I be bored and curious and want to verify a couple of GLOs. I checked a couple for my GLO, which is Delta Gamma, and one for my boyfriends GLO, which is Delta Sigma Phi. The one I checked for Delta Sig was the listing for UC Irvine, where Delta Sig doesn't seem to even have a chapter there. So I don't know if I believe some of those. If someone wants to make a website for people who are gay, in GLO's and out and want to list themselves then that's fine, but don't put fake chapters on there.

Aquastar · #56 08-18-2002, 10:26 PM

That site is for gay greeks to know that other greeks are gay and its for them to see contacts and to feel connected to other people. And there is no way in hell im not going to do something for fear of some ***hole contacting me because they are a "gaybasher". If people what to find out who you are ... they can ... dont go trying to be "protective" by saying its unsafe for gays to do this. And if your information is put up there and as a "joke" by someone who has your infomation ... tough ... your friends (or enimies depending who put it up there) suck ... but that has NOTHING to do with the web site OR the gay greeks who put their names up there. If people what to put innacurate information on the web, thats not the fault of the people running the website. Obviously the web page wasnt intended to list people who are even real, but thats the fault of the people who wrote the names. Dont attack the creaters and participants for something that isnt their fault.

33girl · #57 08-18-2002, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Aquastar
And if your information is put up there and as a "joke" by someone who has your infomation ... tough ... your friends (or enimies depending who put it up there) suck ... but that has NOTHING to do with the web site OR the gay greeks who put their names up there. If people what to put innacurate information on the web, thats not the fault of the people running the website.

Yes, it is their fault. If they are going to make a website that is intended to be to the benefit of those who choose to speak out, they owe it to them to make sure the information on the site is valid.

If they can't do a little fact checking, and verify that the people posting ARE the actual people (instead of some jagoff thinking "ha ha, big joke") they should dismantle the site.

Aquastar · #58 08-18-2002, 11:48 PM

so a couple of people are going to be ***holes ... so dont bother helping anyone ...
I dont think thats such a great plan
Sorry but thats just my oppinion

33girl · #59 08-18-2002, 11:57 PM

False and unsubstantiated information doesn't help anyone. The ends don't justify the means.

Shine · #60 08-19-2002, 01:54 AM

I think the point is, that NO MATTER WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER of the site is...it's wrong to just post up that information without checking up on it.

I agree. I don't care what the site is about. I don't care if it's about gay greeks, famous greeks, or any kind of special site about a sect of people in greek life.

DON'T JUST POST WHATEVER AND MAKE UP RANDOM CHAPTERS AT RANDOM SCHOOLS THAT DON'T EXIST TO FURTHER YOUR OWN CAUSE.