Prejudism

[Honeykiss1974]

PM_Mama,

I can answer the original article that you posted as to why...

Let's look at the article. White man married to a black woman, living in a predominately black neighborhood, being "slurred" by a group of black teens......... Honestly, I'm surprised that the police did anything at all because when it comes to predominately black neighborhoods, the police are slow to react to anything that is considered "black on black".

I think if this had been a entirely "white" family and this was happening to them in a white neighborhood, yes, you are right, the police would have arrested those teens in a heartbeat.

But because this is a white guy married to a black women, living in a black neighborhood, I just don't think that law enforcement saw this as a serious matter. When it comes to predominatley black neighborhood, that usually is the case unfortunately. It also makes me wonder WHEN did law enforcement decide to do something....was it before or after this story went public....who knows......

[Tom Earp]

I guess I have been wrong my whole life as a whitey!

I did not grow up around Blacks so had NO preconceived ideas of black and white!

My first Black I met was in college and the only one! He hung in my room with OUR friends as much as we hung in his!

In my second school, I had a lot of black friends in NPCH groups.

We wouold sit in the Grill together along with some of my Fraternity Brothers!

I was a Police Officer for 7 years and met many good and bad blacks! I also met many good and bad whites.

I owned a liguor store for 17 years and had many black customers and was one of the first to have blacks employed in a liquor store in Kansas.

I still ahve Black Freinds and always will along with Black Fraterny Brothers!

Why do you think the Pilgrams came to America as we know it, they were pushed out because of Religious Racisim!

It is sad that I hear that the whites brought the blacks here in the first place! Yes they did but there were blacks in Africa who helped them! Is that in your Black Manual of what really went Down?

If someone is different than me I get a little nervous ( Not Color alone) then why should you get your panties in a bundle!

If you have someone of your so called own race discussing this well gues what, you may have a sh*&^y out look and need to get yourself together!

I am not sayin that it still does not still happen but just do not promigate it by some of the comments!

If you feel so strongly then why do you post on the all white net work here! OH I guess it really is not lily white on here is it!

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Why do you think the Pilgrams came to America as we know it, they were pushed out because of Religious Racisim!

...... "America" then became the place to send criminals.......as in a prison/jail.... It was a punishment to come here, not as something fun and new to explore.

***EDIT****, not EVERY PERSON that was sent to the Americas was because they were a "religious criminal". Most were actual "regular" criminals (theft, murder, etc.). As I stated before to be sent to the Americas was a prison sentence. They same as being sent to Rikers, Alcatraz, etc.

But again, my post isn't to debate this issue, but the article that PM_Mama posted.

[Tom Earp]

Honeykiss, the prisoners were sent from England to Austraial as it was a penil colony!

Yep the pilgrams were considered criminals as because of their religion!

Others came later and the Members of the new colonies later on dumped Tea in the harbor because of taxation!

There has been prejudice and more likely be predjuice for ever in time as we are not all alike! I can work on my tan while the Asians have a different color Hue, and the Blacks have another!

I have dated both and both complained about the color of the skin!

Well, that is all there is you are either, Black, Yellow, Red, or White!

I do not know of any Blue People unless you are DEAD! I have had the privilage of meeting people of all colors sexual affiliatons and religions on this site and I love and have talked to many of them in person!

If lifes hangups are to much then do not join in! It is your decision!


We have one of the Greatest things on this site that I sorryly do not think there will ever be anything like it!

Yes we talk harsh or ask serious questions as many do not know! Ask, not be abusive to anyone!

We who have been around for awhile have seen most of it and try to respond in a matter of decorum and straight forwardness!

It does seem that many HOT REPLYs are from new people on this Site!

We welcome ALL People on site and wish to tell you of our experiences and what we have tried to do to do for the betterment of what we beleive in!!!

Well, I can Say Good Night Gracie!

[neicy81]

^5 at honeykiss1974


Tell it like it is!

[lovelyivy84]

Awesome article Honeykiss.

That book is actually worth picking up I should add.

Michael Moore nailed it.

Anyone who has read any post-Reconstruction literature has seen the way this country reacted to the freedom of the slave, and the ways that were invented to circumvent it- lynching, grandfather clauses, Jim Crow, and SHOULD be able to understand at least INTELLECTUALLY that racism is institutionalized, and that's not accidental. Forget slavery, white people invented various ways to reinstitute it legally by another name the minute it was abolished- that's what police forces were FOR in most states.

*Sigh*

I just wish that more WHITE people recognized and acknowledged the problem, and more BLACK people recognized that a. there's hope, b. we have some stuff to deal with on our OWN, and c. there has been progress, not all white folks are evil, even if many are wilfully ignorant.

and TomEarp, I have to tell ya that it doesn't matter whether or not you met a black person growing up, I KNOW that you were exposed to them because that is what the mass media is for.

Birth of A Nation?

Minstrel shows?

Blaxploitation?

All about various ways to publicly degrade blacks, and reinforce public opinions on our "childish" natures.

[librasoul22]

Where to begin??

First off, neicy81...while I am sure you have good intentions, your arguments are sort of short-sighted and repetitive. You are not trying to hear anyone else because you have already made up your mind. Perhaps if you give thought to each response you can cater your own accordingly. I hear what you are sayig, and based on my own definition of racism, I don't believe that blacks can be racist either. But if you keep posting like you are, these folks are gonna really believe otherwise.

I think that snuggles did a great job of breaking down the disparity between the white definition of racism and the black definition.

Whoever posted that whites are comfortable with taking responsibility for the past...wow. That is a little naive, if you ask me. If that was the case, there might be a little more than a subsection of out history books devoted to the initial ravaging of Indigenous Americans as well as slavery. Whoever said history books would be much shorter might have been away from school for a while.

Racism? Each definition is simply a function of each person's life experiences. ktsnake hit the nail on the head.

I think that it doesn't matter how many times a day/week/month/year, this topic is brought to the surface. Dialogue is ALWAYS healthy, and you never know who is a little more enlightened by these discussions.

As for the girls, hey, this argument shoud be about the parameters of free speech, not racism.

[neicy81]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by librasoul22
[B]Where to begin??

First off, neicy81...while I am sure you have good intentions, your arguments are sort of short-sighted and repetitive. You are not trying to hear anyone else because you have already made up your mind. Perhaps if you give thought to each response you can cater your own accordingly. I hear what you are sayig, and based on my own definition of racism, I don't believe that blacks can be racist either. But if you keep posting like you are, these folks are gonna really believe otherwise.



Actually, I did "hear" them. And I gave specific examples to challenge their diatribe.Perhaps, you would care to take a look again.

[librasoul22]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by neicy81
[B]

Originally posted by librasoul22
Where to begin??

First off, neicy81...while I am sure you have good intentions, your arguments are sort of short-sighted and repetitive. You are not trying to hear anyone else because you have already made up your mind. Perhaps if you give thought to each response you can cater your own accordingly. I hear what you are sayig, and based on my own definition of racism, I don't believe that blacks can be racist either. But if you keep posting like you are, these folks are gonna really believe otherwise.



Actually, I did "hear" them. And I gave specific examples to challenge their diatribe.Perhaps, you would care to take a look again.

Actually I do see that you responded to most. However, a lot of your responses are hasty and rather sparse in regards to actual information. If you are going to make a statement you should back it up with facts so that your argument will be credible. Just trying to help because you seem to have lost sight of your point due to your frustration at some of the posters. Also, please do not underestimate the reading comprehension of myself or anyone else. It may not be our level of comphension, rather your lack of substantial evidence to back up your arguments that is drawing the ire of others.

As far as the topic goes, I would love to hear an in-depth reason for your mentality. I am not CHALLENGING it, just asking you to elaborate.

[neicy81]

Originally posted by librasoul22


Actually I do see that you responded to most. However, a lot of your responses are hasty and rather sparse in regards to actual information. If you are going to make a statement you should back it up with facts so that your argument will be credible. Just trying to help because you seem to have lost sight of your point due to your frustration at some of the posters. Also, please do not underestimate the reading comprehension of myself or anyone else. It may not be our level of comphension, rather your lack of substantial evidence to back up your arguments that is drawing the ire of others.

As far as the topic goes, I would love to hear an in-depth reason for your mentality. I am not CHALLENGING it, just asking you to elaborate.

Regarding reading comprehension and "lack of substantial evidence", if you go back and read again, that was thrown in because I thought a user was under the assumption that I if I hate people, I would actually kill them. What facts or evidence do I need for that?Secondly, when did I question your comprehension?

Regarding actual facts, I believe I posted many of comments in a general way. For example, the history books and everything wrong with it.I stated general examples but just didn't go into an in depth 2 page long paragraph.

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by neicy81




Regarding reading comprehension and "lack of substantial evidence", if you go back and read again, that was thrown in because I thought a user was under the assumption that I if I hate people, I would actually kill them. What facts or evidence do I need for that?Secondly, when did I question your comprehension?

Regarding actual facts, I believe I posted many of comments in a general way. For example, the history books and everything wrong with it.I stated general examples but just didn't go into an in depth 2 page long paragraph.

I see where you are coming from. I don't think that person ACTUALLY believed you would kill someone, I am sure they were referring more to the banality of your statement. You did not directly question my comprehension. I was just trying to let you know that I have thoroughly read each post in this thread.

You strike me as someone who has just come across the information that racism, by definition, can not be carried out by an oppressed people, thereby making it difficult for you to formulate an intricate arument to back up your initial claims. Understand that I do agree with you, that is why I am trying to steer you in a direction that might make others more susceptible to what you are trying to say. When you end each post with a rude directive, it makes everything that came before it seem meaningless.

I think that in order to effectively get your point across, a two paragraph post may be necessary. When it comes to a subject of this magnitude, one must choose their words carefully. It is very doubtful that you will change anyone's opinion, or that they will change yours, but you never know how many people may benefit from seeing things from a different perspective. This can only be accomplished through educated reasoning, and this may in fact call for a more verbose post.

[librasoul22]

NOW, AS FOR MY THOUGHTS ON THE ARTICLE ITSELF AS POSTED BY PM MAMA:

I love how people try to justify their beliefs about "reverse-racism" by selecting ONE instance and capitilizing on it. I find it fascinating that it is actually a headline that black girls hurled "racial slurs" at a white man. Do you know how often this happens on a daily basis to blacks?? Does anyone else find it funny that this item was even newsworthy? I think that THIS is the real issue. For this ONE incident alone, I can name thousands (probably millions) of incidents that occur in the reverse every day (whites hurling racial slurs at blacks). Not saying that blacks do not call whites nasty names on a daily basis (I am sure they do)...but is this scenario really worthy of media attention?

Must've been a slow news day!

[neicy81]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by librasoul22
[B]

I see where you are coming from. I don't think that person ACTUALLY believed you would kill someone, I am sure they were referring more to the banality of your statement. You did not directly question my comprehension. I was just trying to let you know that I have thoroughly read each post in this thread.

You strike me as someone who has just come across the information that racism, by definition, can not be carried out by an oppressed people, thereby making it difficult for you to formulate an intricate arument to back up your initial claims. Understand that I do agree with you, that is why I am trying to steer you in a direction that might make others more susceptible to what you are trying to say. When you end each post with a rude directive, it makes everything that came before it seem meaningless.

Just come across???I think not. I didn't start reading or wanting to know about my history yesterday.


But since you asked for "facts", here goes.

Getting back to the original argument, folks were screaming racism and I disagreed with that.How have blacks stigmatized whites? In the article, the girls threw racial insults at the white person or persons in the article. Even though it was "wrong", how has that white person felt that history repeated itself or a rebudding remembrance of their oppressed history versus what a black person would feel?

Furthermore....
How have blacks contributed to the genocide of millions of people?
How have blacks benefitted from "black privilege"?
How have blacks made whites victims of police brutality?
How have blacks negatively stereotyped whites in the media?
How have blacks made whites feel like second class citizens?
How have blacks created systems of oppression for whites?

[Kevin]

Neicy, since you keep bringing this stuff up and incedents actually are out there or most of these things I fealt like I should respond with examples.

I think these issues that you are giving are not something that is perpetrated by people who are of a certain race... Rather people who have both POWER and HATRED.

How have blacks contributed to the genocide of millions of people?

Rwanda, Congo, etc... All you have to do is look at some of the middle and southern African countries and tribal warfare. Different tribes trying to completely wipe eachother out (aka genocide).

How have blacks benefitted from "black privilege"?

Not really sure what "white privilige" is so I won't respond because of my complete ignorance on this issue.

How have blacks made whites victims of police brutality?

Well you probably won't like my example very much BUT this is a perfect example where someone with both POWER and HATE have come into play. South Africa... There has been a massive exodus of whites from South Africa following the end of apartheid. These people fear for their lives and there really is quite a bit of crime there. And yes, there is black on white police brutality.

How have blacks negatively stereotyped whites in the media?

I watch programs like "Def Comedy Jam" and other black comedy programs on BET, etc. Yes, I see PLENTY of negative stereotypes about white guys. I really doubt white guys came up with these stereotypes. We can't dance, can't jump, talk like we've got a stick up our asses, etc...

How have blacks made whites feel like second class citizens?

How have blacks created systems of oppression for whites?

Again you PROBABLY won't like my answer (because the bastards probably deserve this treatment) but South Africa after the fall of Apartheid has done EXACTLY these things. I realize that my statement here is very much an oversimplification of a VERY complex issue... However, I do so to state that it isn't a thing that white people do, it's power and hate and/or ignorance that drive this behavior.

The reason I bring this up is to say that as long as we think of ourselves as black, white, asian, whatever and divide ourselves along racial lines there WILL be inequality. As Dr MLK said we should judge people on the quality of their character and not by the color of their skin.

I'll be the first to admit that I absolutely don't think there's a level playing field. I was really truly awakened to this one night in Memphis about 4:30AM when I pulled over for gas right after I drove through downtown heading East. A part of Memphis that I believe is called "East-Central" if you're familiar. Long story short there were a lot of black folks hanging out at this gas station.. There were cops driving around EVERYWHERE... the place looked like a war zone or an occupied territory durng a war. Within about a minute of trying to get gas we had gotten the hell out of dodge. I'd had some Ice (some kind of drug that I'm not really familar with) offered to me and had a group of about 12 guys walking towards my car (as I drove off some of them were actually hanging on the side of my car). That's the only contact I've ever had with the real "ghetto" (I don't think our inner-city really compares here in Oklahoma City).

I feel very sad for these people. They need help. They did not choose this life... They were born into it. Now do I believe that it is white people that keep them there? In a way, yes... Where do people in the suburbs go when they need to buy drugs? The ghetto... They don't give a damn that this is what poisons this society and ruins the lives of so many there. This woman that tried to sell me ice saw my big red SUV at 4:30AM in her part of town and assumed (an example of her prejudices) that I had come to find some drugs and may put food on her plate.

Breaking this cycle is the responsability of society as a whole and I sure as hell don't have the answer to this. It is an entire culture that must be changed for a level playing field.

My entire point here is that I don't necessarily believe that this institution exists because of race (as a whole). It is something that occurs with each individual and his individual ignorance, power and possibly hate. My definition of racism (which I've actually modified since reading this thread) would state that yes... a black person that attacks a white person, brutally beats them, etc...for the color of their skin (like in the LA Riots) is JUST as much a racist as the policemen that beat Rodney King. Each group in each instance possessed both power and enough ignorance and hate to accomplish the deed.

But of course I will admit this is all just a semantical debate and we can't really convince eachother that we're right or wrong.. Just try to understand better where eachother are comeing from.

This discussion pops up every couple of months but I REALLY think this dialogue is some of the most interesting and valuable stuff on GC.

LHT
Kevin

[Tom Earp]

KTSNAKE, a very good point. Until you lived it, then you only hear of it in books or passed down in lore! Say much as the Greeks and Egyptians did to the people that they put in human bondage long before what came about in the Americas!

I rode in a police car by my self during the So Called Riots of the Kansas City Area in the "GHETTO". I had respect for the people trying to live there and they had respect for me! That is respect not just becaus I was the man!

I worked with these peopole to keep some of the killing , robbing, and looting done by their own!

This thread seems to be getting out of hand! We cannot reverse the action that was done in history as that is old news! We can only do what we can do today!

I am getting tired of someone coming on and trying to stir up racism and predjadise, when we as a group are trying to help the other way!

The world has changed and is still changing ergo The Twin Towers!

Whose fault is that the white folks or the not Musilums who beleive in the white Devil?

How about the Jewish people, was that also the white peoplle or a political thing! What about Northern Ireland, is that white people, or is it about polotics of who runs the jobs!

NO< ALL OF THESE MEAN DEATH TO INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!

I do not hate, UNLESS YOU do harm to me or my family or freinds!

I then do not blame it on a Race or Religion but the individual!

Get over your self importance as it is getting underwhelming!