The Old Greek System vs. The New Greek System - Page 4

theta sig agd · #46 05-17-2002, 12:39 PM

Got a question...What are the differences between the "old" and the "new" systems and when did it change?

I had no idea things had ever changed??? So I dont know if I was in the old or new??

RubberSoul · #47 05-17-2002, 05:04 PM

When I mentioned the annexes, I was not talking about "sponsored" events. I am talking about something that I am pretty sure doesn't exist anymore.....casual, non-official hanging out. I don't know how it is at other schools, but on nice Friday or Saturday evenings the front lawns of the houses on Main Street were full of greeks, hanging out, talking, "hooking up" whatever. Basically it was open sorority night at these fraternity houses, and everybody would go. Nowadays this is impossible. When people are getting together in some guy's cramped little apartment, you aren't going to have groups from all 6 (or 8 or 10) sororities there. Yes, girls can still drop by the fraterntities whenever and visit.....but it isn't the same. What I am talking about is a kind of party that as I mentioned before does not seem to exist anymore. It was one of my favorite parts of being a greek and I still can barely believe it when I drive down Main Streeet on a weekend night and the fraternities look like a ghost town.

As far as the money/insurance situation, the fact is that the men's groups who have gone dry and are pushing for the others to do so have done so for ONE reason: dollars. It all comes down to liability, insurance, and soaring rates. Let me tell you, at my husband's fraternity where the alums are used to being wined and dined, there have been plenty of complaints and comments of disbelief about the whole dry thing. And I am not talking about 20-and-30somethings.....I am talking about men in their 40s, 50s, 60s and older who can't imagine not being able to have a beer at the homecoming gathering. It will be interesting to see how the dollars look when alumni involvement drops....these older alums are the lifeblood of the chapter's pocketbook in some cases. I know of one very famous and prominent alum of my husband's chapter who always used to be seen at events.....these days he is nowhere to be found.

By the way, thanks to my "fans!!!" LOL!!!!!!

LexiKD · #48 05-18-2002, 12:32 AM

AGD: Old vs New, well you will have to get a better person than I to recall all the differences, but if you don't know then that is what I mean by once we old timers get a move on, the newer memebers that have been rasied in the new system will be able to function at 100% and love it!

Rubber: I got ya...and I too miss those easy days...but I can't complain, I feel that the new anything is keeping my girls safer...better prepared.

DeltAlum · #49 05-18-2002, 12:39 AM

Old vs. New...

Well, I was kind of wondering about that myself.

Is the old system when Delt was founded in 1858...

Or when I graduated in 1969...

Or 1981, or 1989, or 1995?

I'm confused.

LexiKD · #50 05-18-2002, 12:51 AM

Delt: This is how I think of it, from my experiences.

96-00: More of a nonstressful atmosphere. Parties that were fun, but no real regluations, hazing that was accepted(little activites and bigger), Less stress on safty, more on fun....laid back attitude.

00-present: more concerned with the balance of fun and safty, regarding parties and day to day activites, including new member education....some would say a move to more PC than sterotypical...I think we can remain to be a great social force while functioning within our own regulations. We are being forced to think of creative ideas to achieve the same results...less of, that's how it was and always should be attitude.

That's my version, but it will be fun to read the rest!

LeslieAGD · #51 05-18-2002, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LexiKD
96-00: More of a nonstressful atmosphere. Parties that were fun, but no real regluations, hazing that was accepted(little activites and bigger), Less stress on safty, more on fun....laid back attitude.

00-present: more concerned with the balance of fun and safty, regarding parties and day to day activites, including new member education....some would say a move to more PC than sterotypical...I think we can remain to be a great social force while functioning within our own regulations. We are being forced to think of creative ideas to achieve the same results...less of, that's how it was and always should be attitude.

That's my version, but it will be fun to read the rest!

I was thinking along these lines as well. After December 2000, a lot of houses went dry and many policies became stricter...at least from what I witnessed.

theta sig agd · #52 05-18-2002, 10:39 PM

Well if that is the only difference then I was in the "new" system and liked it just fine. If we didnt have so many idiots who take hazing to the extremes then maybe we wouldnt have needed the change.

I had a lot of fun in the "new" system. I guess the system is changing in part b/c the people going through rush are different as well, So i dont think it is a big deal.

???? So I am for the "new"

Kevin · #53 05-19-2002, 01:23 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes but not ever at a fraternity function.

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?
Never

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?
2-3

4: Average number of members at chapter?
25

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?
5

6: Number of times you drank in your house?
Never

7: Rush Class size (average)?
10

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?
4-5

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week?
Never drink to the point of enebriation. 1-2 beers is all I ever like to have or I get sick.

10: Hours spent on the computer a week?
6-10

11: Year of undergrad membership?
3 so far, will be 4

12: Hazed? (be honest)
Nope and if there ever is I'll come back and woop some ass.

I think both have their merits. The "new" system with all of our rules and regulations in some ways really FORCES us to take a closer look at our ideals. If we lived by those, most of us wouldn't need all those risk reduction policies.

The old system has its merits though. Would be nice to be able to do scavenger hunts, etc.. So for the sake of scavenger hunts I'll go with the old system.

LHT
Kevin
MT #5

JonoBN41 · #54 05-19-2002, 01:48 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?
Nope, the drinking age was 18.
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?
Bought marijuana by the pound (it was milder then); experimented with mushrooms. Some guys were stoned for weeks.
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?
Maybe 3 semi-formal, but a party every weekend.
4: Average number of members at chapter?
about 30 - 35
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?
Six fraternities; 2 sororities
6: Number of times you drank in your house?
Didn't have a house. If the dorm floor we had counts, alot.
7: Rush Class size (average)?
Seven - 10.
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?
Even in the dorm we cleaned up what we messed up, so 1 - 2, voluntary.
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week?
Let's see 24 times 7....just kidding. Actually it's probably alot LESS than I'd like to recall. We saw the sun come up a few times.
10: Hours spent on the computer a week?
Didn't have a ladder, so none.
11: Year of undergrad membership?
1971 - 1975
12: Hazed? (be honest)
No. It was already banned. (Officially 1972)
13: Old\ New?
I guess any way you look at it, I was in the old one. No house; no refrigerators or hotplates allowed in the dorms (no girls either, after certain hours). Study hours in effect, and one B/W TV in the lobby. But on weekends we'd tune up the guitars (we're talking P. Simon, Neil Young, America, Don McClean, Beatles, JT, Dylan, Elton) and get out the rum, tequila, etc. Even some of the professors would stop by and party with us, drink, and grub cigarettes. We had fun.
Thirty years later we still don't have a house but the chapter is strong as ever. I go back to visit and a brother with a rented house invites the actives over, but NO drinking. Okay. We head over there, and I go with them.
He greets us - Remember, NO drinking. Okay. So I go in the kitchen and grab some ice and pull my scotch out of the bag while the actives haul in cases of Bud. Then we tune up the guitars, sit on the deck, drink, sing, and have fun.

Has anything really changed? No not really. We're just slowly being forced into the closet that everyone else has succeeded in coming out of.

Jono
Lambda Chi Alpha
Florida Tech

Tom Earp · #55 05-19-2002, 10:48 AM

Jono, well said!

It seems that not only do the Greeks have to hide what they are doing, there is less commaraderi between Brothers as each has his own little area with amenities in his room.

No more getting together for Football Sundays, game shows, or cartoons to make fun at.

We are in a quandery of building a new house! Build the normal style, Suites, or apartment type living!

Some Alums will not give to certain types but invsestors may!

What does one do?

We as a Group of Social (!) Greek Orgs. do more on campus and the Alums donate more to schools than anyother single type of Org. of a School!

Yet we must change our lifestyles to fit the political Correctness of the rest!

Is there many stupid and moronic things done? YES. This is by young people who are spreading thier wings for rally the first time on their own.

We as Alums have a responseability to work with these young people to point the proper path. Thart is the reason that we need to be there! We are not Parents, but Brothers and Sisters of these young people.

Do each of us have the answer, NO, but we do the best that we can!

ThetaxiUW · #56 05-19-2002, 02:51 PM

Everyone,

It seems as though people are confused about the New vs. Old. So lets put it this way...

Changes after 1990 are considered New and before 1990 are Old. Hopefully that will help with the confusion. I know its not exactly right but every place is different.

"...the newer memebers that have been rasied in the new system will be able to function at 100% and love it!"

Now I think it is this mentality that we need to stop. Just because it will work doesn't mean it works well. "Love it"? Probably not as much as before the 90's did!

In reality, I think that greek organizations are training people to find loopholes in everything they do. I have never heard so much talk like "But according to law 4.3.5.6..." or "Its all right as long as we get fences" or "Your Fined!". Its getting to be annoying and stupid.

theta sig agd · #57 05-20-2002, 01:43 AM

In defense of the "new" system, had you not told me there were changes I wouldnt have known. Those people in the "old" system are alum now anyway. I dont see a prob with the new and LOVE it and think it works well.

LexiKD · #58 05-20-2002, 09:23 AM

I agree with you Wendy!

Change is hard and scares alot of members, but in the end you either move with the times or get left behind...I think it is as easy as that. I'm not sure if it is the fact that they think their traditions will be taken away or that alum's mark/legacy will not be as highly thought of b/c now they couldn't follow in the same footsteps...to me we need a little hard work and it will be fine.

Many members that are rasied in the new system feel the same as Wendy, in fact I find more now that think as she does and less members feel it is ridiculous that they now think on a more responsibile level. This also varies from campus to campus....for many schools these "new" regualtions have been a part of the Greek System since the start and there is no change.

stacydphie · #59 08-14-2002, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by PnguinTrax
1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?

absolutely

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?

never

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?

not a clue, we had mixers all the time

4: Average number of members at chapter?

about 40ish at our highest

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?

no idea

6: Number of times you drank in your house?

we didn't have a house, although my chapter has one now

7: Rush Class size (average)?

6-10

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?

n/a

9: Hours spent being inebriated a week?

not that much, I only drank on the weekend - although I was the minority, most of my sisters drank heavily

10: Hours spent on the computer a week?

most people didn't have home computers yet, the internet barely exists, so I would say for classwork only and in the computer labs

11: Year of undergrad membership?

1990-93

12: Hazed? (be honest)

not hazed, pledged. There is a difference.

Tom Earp · #60 08-14-2002, 04:30 PM

OKAY, the old and New!

The old Pledged and Hazed!

The New Associate Members and do not haze!

Because of The Politically Correctness this has become a very large issue! Say Risk Management, say Insurance premiums!

When do Active Members come to the realizaton that when a member dies it is under the micrscope!

Everytime a member dies it is hazing until proven da well it was a medical condition that no one new about!

That is how it hits the news media: Member of a Greek Organization Dies, It is hazing!

If you get back to the old, the reason for the growth of other Greek Organizations is simply because the old line would not expand!

TA DA many started out much as Locals today!

Not satisfied with what is there, lets start our own just I as Did!