Quota? - Page 4

hoosier · #46 05-08-2002, 01:43 PM

I'm getting old and hazy:

What is COB? PNM or what ever?

This newby needs help

Dionysus · #47 05-08-2002, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by hoosier
I'm getting old and hazy:

What is COB? PNM or what ever?

This newby needs help

COB- Continuous Open Bid

PNM- Potential New Nember

33girl · #48 05-08-2002, 01:46 PM

Re the "weenie" smaller chapters, it is the national that makes the decision to close them, or stay on. With the exception of a local that didn't get national recognition (to fulfill a school rule) I've never heard of a Panhel closing a chapter.

If you want to let the weenies struggle, you need to take that to the national HQ's, not blame it on Panhel. Basically you are saying the girls need to operate the same way as the guys - am I correct?

FuzzieAlum · #49 05-08-2002, 01:58 PM

Lexi, small chapters usually can't COB to quota because girls refuse to accept bids from them. They'd rather be non-Greek than join "those" chapters. It's not like there's a rule against them offering bids.

I think 33girl is right, the system is in a trough right now. Quota has gone from about 14 to 8 in the last eight years, yet ceiling has not changed. Somehow, fewer total girls are interested in Greek life.

LexiKD · #50 05-08-2002, 02:08 PM

Fuzzie: Thanks!

Well, in that case the national organization needs to step in and pull their chapter up or get out of dodge and ask to recolonize later. Is it still like this at your school?

KappaStargirl · #51 05-08-2002, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by hoosier

If a college restricts their sales, it is their CHOICE.

QUOTA restricts sales, and quota is forced on the chapters by rules, sometimes made by the Panhel Council or by the school's dean, and enforced by them.

No outside rule maker forces the college to restrict sales, and they can accept as many freshmen/transfers as they can build/rent/buy classrooms and dorms to teach and house them.

Sorority rules are usually made by the handful of top sororities (look at the officers of your Panhel Council) and enforced by them. Quota helps keep them large and powerful, and also keeps the lesser chapter small and weak.

None of the above is true. Do your research.

It must be terribly taxing to be so ignorant.

hoosier · #52 05-08-2002, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by KappaStargirl

None of the above is true. Do your research.

It must be terribly taxing to be so ignorant.

Just give me one word of the above that is not generally true.

I've seen and done the research.

I love the Kappas, but I think California is the land of fruits and nuts (not that there's anything wrong with that.)

stargirl725 · #53 05-08-2002, 07:57 PM

Another thing is that it isn't really feasible for most, if not all, NPC orgs to constantly be doing COB throughout the year. There are limits on new member periods set both by nationals and campuses, and if you're COB'ing someone new every month, you wind up having to have a lot of random initiations (big pain) unless you bend the rules somehow.

Do I think quotas are the perfect answer? No, but there is no perfect answer, and I think it works just fine in most cases.

#54 05-08-2002, 08:13 PM

The farther north you go the lower the number in a pledge class. I think that if a frat is too big you don't really know your brothers on the level you should. In the north-east a frat is about 30, and that seems to be optimum. but down south 30 is about the size of a pledge class... how the hell do you even get to know your pledge bro's, let alone know your family line.

LexiKD · #55 05-09-2002, 03:27 PM

Stargirl: I agree that COB should not be a year round event. But you can informal recruit and have a starting week for a new PC. Then you can wait a little to begin the 6-8 week NM period all together instead of starting at separate times.

I think that good effort through informal recruiting could help any chapter that can stand to have a few new members. I'm not saying that if you need 20 NMs, but make a goal to make up the difference each semester and pledge 2-5 more women than ususal, it has to be a chapter effort, not just the membership chair. If membership is the issue than it has to be top priority for the entire group!

dzrose93 · #56 05-09-2002, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by hoosier

Just give me one word of the above that is not generally true.

I've seen and done the research.

I love the Kappas, but I think California is the land of fruits and nuts (not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Hoosier,

Your comment about quota is inaccurate. Quota isn't put in place to keep the large sororities powerful and the smaller ones weak -- quota is actually designed to prevent the larger sororities from taking all the quality girls and leaving the smaller groups with none. If there was no quota, then the sororities could offer as many bids as they wanted, and rushees would flock to the top tier houses -- which, in turn, would cause the lower tiers to diminish in size and lose any chance that they may have had to increase their numbers. Quota keeps the playing field more level, and that is exactly what it was created for. Another purpose it serves is to prevent any sorority from becoming too large. If quota wasn't in place, some chapters would have 300+ girls, which would make it extremely difficult for sisters to get close to each other and participate in sisterhood activities.

Fraternity rush and sorority rush are two very different animals. I can understand the confusion that guys have about many of our processes. However, it's important that guys not make assumptions without having all the facts.

madmax · #57 05-09-2002, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by dzrose93

Hoosier,

Quota keeps the playing field more level, and that is exactly what it was created for. Another purpose it serves is to prevent any sorority from becoming too large. If quota wasn't in place, some chapters would have 300+ girls, which would make it extremely difficult for sisters to get close to each other and participate in sisterhood activities.

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Why do you need a level playing field?

I think it should be survival of the fittest. It will force some of the weaker to get their acts together and in the long run the groups that are the smartest, work the hardest and do a good job of selling themselves will succeed. Thats the way it is in the real world.

Why do you want all the groups to be the same size? In the "does size matter" thread everyone had a different opinion on what the ideal size should be. Not everyone wants to be in a chapter with 300 members. Some pnms will want to be in a group with 20, some might want 50 and others might want 150. The smaller groups can still succeed. It works for fraternities.

FuzzieAlum · #58 05-09-2002, 06:03 PM

The problem is, fraternities and sororities are still different. No, girls DON'T want to join a smaller chapter. Girls very much take into account chapter size when they rush. Guys for the most part don't care in the least if they're part of a big or small chapter, but for image-conscious women, it is a very big deal.

Girls want the best standard chapter, whatever the standard is on their campus. If no one has a house, then housing doesn't play a role in rush. But if a chapter is the only unhoused one on campus, see how quickly word gets around that "they're not a real sorority." Or if most chapters have 50 girls, 45 girls is fine. If most chapters have 110, "something must be wrong" with the 45 member chapter.

Obviously, not every single woman feels this way, but enough do that leveling the playing field makes it worth it. Otherwise girls would quickly end up with one or two ridicuously huge chapters on campus. And then you wouldn't have as many houses to choose from for mixers!

LexiKD · #59 05-09-2002, 09:37 PM

I agree with Fuzzie!

I also think that numbers play a HUGE part in budgets. I know we do them a semester in advance and bank on having total, if not there goes money and some oppurtuinites and that is what makes for uneven playing groud.

33girl · #60 05-09-2002, 09:55 PM

I do agree with the guys somewhat - I never minded being in a "smaller" chapter, preferred it and it was the deciding factor in the group I chose. I know I'm not alone in that. I would like if the national HQ's could understand that and not push so hard for numbers. (I am, of course, NOT talking about a situation where you have a 60 person house to fill. That's a whole other kettle of fish.)

But I am glad we had the rush setup that we did, because I think it helped a lot of women discover that the "top" houses weren't where they would have been happiest. There were a lot of women who saw the "top" groups on campus....said "I want to be part of that"...then were with them one to one at a rush party and couldn't wait to leave - often going to houses they hadn't thought about before rush, and loved after rush. If those women had gone through "guy-style" rush and only went to the houses they "thought" they wanted, they would have probably been turned off to the greek system altogether.

Like I said before, the rules as written work really well, but there is the occasional panhel that makes a mess of the whole thing. Just because your school might have their head up their butt don't condemn the whole system.