"An accused child pornographer shoves a former crack dealer out of the #1 spot..."

[AKA2D '91]

So does that JUSTIFY the situation? The ACT itself, still occurred. They both still attempted to get married, misrepresentation or not. She was still under 18, NOT an adult.

[Kimmie1913]

IMO the marriage to Aaliyah is relevant. Part of people's feeling about Rra in this whole thing is that he has a pattern of being involved with underaged girls. If there is a long standing, allegedly substantiated rumor about a marriage to Aaliyah who was a minor at the time, that simply bolsters the appearance of a pattern. If he never was married to her, what honors her memory and image more that a bold and clear, NO I WAS NEVER EVER, EVER MARRIED TO HER! STOP TRYING TO DRAG HER NAME THROUGH THE MUD. There has never been a clear and unequivocal statement made by either side on this issue which has persisted for going on ten years. To me, that seems to indicate an inability to make a clear statement about it.

Documents can be forged- this is true. The mere fact that a reporter only had a copy of a marriage licensee- what else would they have? If you go to obtain an official record, you are going to be given a copy, albeit certified by the clerk of the court. Considering he had no standing to request the record, the best a reporter is likely to get is a copy a courthouse employee made for him on the DL.

As the rumor goes, she misrepresented her age in order to get the marriage license. Again, for her to do that lends itself to the image of him as a manipulator of young girls. How are you, as the ADULT going to have her lying and committing a fraud on the state to marry you? If they were married, legally with her parents consent, it would have had to be in writing and therefore there would not have been grounds to have it annulled (annulment requires fraud of some kind, if everything is done properly, there is no fraud.)

Further, I have no doubt that one of their camps would have taken action a long time ago to stop the media’s reporting of the marriage if they could have. Both have avoided the question for years. After a while, no comment starts to sound like "yeah, that's true but I can't talk about it." If it did happen, I am sure there was a legal agreement between the two parties preventing them from talking about it anyway.

[strobelitehoney]

Originally posted by PinkNGreen
R. Kelly is married? I didn't know that. The only person I ever remember him being married to was Aaliyah.

Anyway, I totally believe that it was him in those videos and I know for certain that he has always had attraction to young girls. I went to high school (Chicago Area) and college (Champaign) in Illinois so, I ran into a lot of people that "knew" him. My friend from high school/college roommate remembers Robert (as she calls him) trying to hit on her at the Regal Theater. It's interesting that she said she was always too scared to talk to him because he was so much older than she was. I guess it's hard to break old habits.

I will be tuned in, I'm dying to see what he has to say for himself. Pesonally, I think he's disgusting.

R kelly Been married, I can't believe Ya'll didn't know that, and I am late on this topic. He has two kids, and his wife is expectant anyday now (says tom joyner.) his kids are 4 and 3. And she is 29. she was his dancer. Maybe they met while she was 15, and waited. However, he's guilty, he does have a disease, and there is nothing Rev Meeks can do to do to help him. Only god can help that man.
and I'm pricing Chasity belts when I get off of work, for my daughter.
Why is it that no one is putting these hot A$$ girls on blast for messing with him in the first place, they knew they were underage. and it does take two to tango.(i want to know would it be such a big stank (not deffending Rra) if those same girls were having sex with another man the same age?

2Nd of all, why do we think "as the audience" that BET of all channels were gonna get 'THE ANSWERS" That we all want to hear? you know WE NEVER HEAR WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.
All i got to say is...let a nuh, mess with my daughter, it won't be any courts involved. Just me and my Machette

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by strobelitehoney



All i got to say is...let a nuh, mess with my daughter, it won't be any courts involved. Just me and my Machette

LMAO! ROFL!

[Bamboozled]

Ok, was I hearing things or did that fool begin the interview last night by saying that he was "biting his teeth" so that he wouldn't say anything he wasn't supposed to? Maybe I'm not up on the latest lingo, but I think the correct term is "biting his TOUNGUE". After that, I knew I couldn't take anything else he said seriously and changed the channel.

[nikki25]

R. probably isn't saying anything about the tape because he doesn't want to be caught in a lie. Let us not forget what Bill Clinton's adamant statement (you remember it: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky") did to him: he was brought up on perjury charges and impeached! That may explain why R. is playing it cool, and avoiding responsibility for his alleged presence on the tape.

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by nikki25
R. probably isn't saying anything about the tape because he doesn't want to be caught in a lie. Let us not forget what Bill Clinton's adamant statement (you remember it: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky") did to him: he was brought up on perjury charges and impeached! That may explain why R. is playing it cool, and avoiding responsibility for his alleged presence on the tape.

However, if R. Kelly was patterning after Clinton he will come out and tell the truth when the heat gets too hot. Only problem is that Clinton was under fire for adultery...in 2002, that seems like penny candy compared to pedophilia, which we might never be desensitized to.

[sistarisin]

Rra definitely got issues and need alotta help. I don't care how old these girls BODIES appear to be, the words that come out of their mouth will tell a more eloquent story.

As a mother of two girls myself, I'm wondering where are their parents? Why don't you have close enough tabs on your children to know where and who they are hanging with? Not only that, why weren't certain values instilled in them. When I was coming up I DID NOT have 'lottabody' but OLDER MEN would try to kick it to me all the time. My parents raised me to make them feel like chit for even tryin to holla at me. My immediate response was always: Do you know how old I am? IMHO, the parents share just as much of the burden as Rra!

[prayerfull]

May 31, 2002

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH AND JIM DEROGATIS Chicago Sun-Times STAFF
REPORTERS

Another woman has filed suit against R&B superstar R. Kelly.

Montina "Tina" Woods, 33, a Chicago dancer who tours with the Isley
brothers, said she never knew Kelly was secretly taping her sexual
encounter with him at his recording studio, Chicago Trax.

The tape has made its way into a collage of three Kelly sexual
encounters, bootleg versions of which are available on street corners across
America.

Woods "had a right to privacy to prevent her personal image from being
recorded for the purpose of his personal gratification and possible
dissemination to the public," the suit filed in Cook County Circuit Court
states.

"R. Kelly should have known this was likely to cause severe emotional
harm and economic harm to [Woods]," the suit states.

This brings to four the number of women who have sued Kelly in Cook
County for inappropriate sexual behavior; two of them were under age.

Kelly settled with two of the women.

A fifth woman settled with Kelly out of court before filing suit,
attorney Susan Loggans said.

Those five do not include the then-14-year-old girl who appears on a
26-minute videotape engaging in sex acts with a man who appears to be
Kelly.

That tape was sent anonymously to the Sun-Times and turned over to
Chicago police.

Police investigated the tape and turned over evidence to the Cook
County state's attorney, which empaneled a grand jury.

Bringing the total number of women to at least seven is Aaliyah, the
young singer and actress killed in a plane crash last year.

Kelly married her when she was 15 and he was 27 in 1994. Her family
annulled the marriage when they found out. They said Kelly encouraged
Aaliyah to falsify her age.

"R. Kelly has been aware of his acts for over 10 years that constitute
violations of criminal statutes and flagrantly displays disregard of
the law by way of his negligence from causing further harm to females,"
Woods' lawsuit states.

Kelly's attorney said he had not seen the lawsuit and so could not
comment.

The suit states, "Kelly set up a hidden camera, prepared his office and
background for the exclusive purpose of secretly recording Miss Woods."

The tape includes nude dancing and sex acts.

Patrice Jones, whose lawsuit against Kelly is pending, said the singer
had sex with her, too, at his Chicago Trax recording studio.

Jones said Kelly coerced her into a sexual relationship after meeting
her at the Rock and Roll McDonald's on her senior prom night.

They had sex 20 to 30 times before her 17th birthday and she got
pregnant, she said. Kelly forced her to get an abortion, her suit states.

Copyright: The Chicago Sun-Times

[Urbane]

Rra is going straight to JAIL..

not to put my bidness out there.. but i'm gonna (*smackin' like Key-lo-lo*). Back in the day.. way way back when i had "oops my panties" moments(only 1 or 2) ... I never danced and put on a show before/after the act. wtf is that all about? again i'm not saying that Rra wasn't wrong for videotaping... but don't play total victim when you was up in there doing the running man necked!

okay.. that's all i got to say about that.

[nikki25]

Okay, now, is there anybody else who wants to jump into the suit? Does anyone know where this case is in the courts? I'm sure that it will be a minute before it comes to trial.

As far as the dancer is concerned...now I certainly am not advocating her sexual exploits, but, if she really didn't know that he was taping...then that's still illegal as it is a private act (legal experts can feel free to chime in if I'm wrong).

[prayerfull]

June 5, 2002

BY JIM DEROGATIS AND ABDON M. PALLASCH CHICAGO SUN-TIMES STAFF
REPORTERS

A grand jury indictment will be announced today against R. Kelly,
accusing the chart-topping R&B superstar of violating child pornography
laws, sources told the Sun-Times on Tuesday.

Prosecutors have a videotape sent anonymously to the Sun-Times
appearing to show R. Kelly committing various sex acts with a 14-year-old girl.

State law prohibits producing or disseminating child pornography or
soliciting a minor to participate in sex acts on tape or film.

The Class 1 felony charge carries a prison term of up to 15 years, and
a fine of up to $100,000.

For more than three years Chicago police investigated charges that
Kelly was having a sexual relationship with the then-14-year-old daughter
of an associate. But the girl and her parents denied the allegations.

The Sun-Times reported the investigation in a December 2000 story about
Kelly's pattern of pursuing underage girls for sex.

The big break in the case came in February when a videotape was sent
anonymously to the Sun-Times. Kelly apparently made the tape of himself
engaging in various sex acts--including acts involving urination with
the underage girl.

The tape was turned over to the sex crimes unit of the Chicago Police.
Kelly has denied having sex with underage girls and maintained in a
recent TV interview that he's not the man on the tape.

Cook County State's Attorney Richard Devine impaneled a grand jury that
heard dozens of witnesses identify Kelly and the teen on the tape and
confirm that they had a sexual relationship.

The tape was authenticated by the FBI, which determined it could not
have been a forgery. Bootleg copies of the video are available for sale
on street corners across the country--$10 for VHS, $15 for DVD.

In recent years, Kelly has paid settlements to three young women who
filed lawsuits or threatened to sue him over underage or coerced sexual
relationships. A fourth woman has filed suit claiming Kelly coerced her
into a sexual relationship when she was a minor, and he coaxed her to
have an abortion. That case is pending.

Yet another lawsuit was filed by a 33-year-old dancer who charges that
she was unknowingly videotaped by Kelly during sexual relations. That
case also is pending.

Kelly has responded to the lawsuits by trying to tarnish the women's
reputations. Before Tiffany Hawkins filed a suit she ultimately settled
against Kelly, charging that he coaxed her to participate in group sex
with him when she was 15, Kelly filed a preemptive suit against her for
blackmail. That suit was dismissed.

This week, copies of rap sheets for minor misdemeanors that Kelly's
other accusers purportedly have been charged with have been sent
anonymously to local news outlets.

Kelly is hardly the first celebrity to be accused of taking advantage
of young girls. Gary Glitter, Rob Lowe, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis,
Roman Polanski, Rolling Stone Bill Wyman and even the legendary Errol
Flynn all have been the subject of news reports for allegedly having
trysts with minors.

Chicago police interviewed dozens of people who knew Kelly, the girl in
the tape or both. Because the girl and her parents denied it was her,
police and prosecutors reportedly had to build the case against Kelly
around them.

While police and other family members who were cooperating with the
investigation grew impatient for prosecutors to charge Kelly, the Cook
County state's attorney's office took months, it said, trying to make sure
it had an ironclad case.

Prosecutors were haunted by a case 14 years ago, when they had a
similarly uncooperative witness who had been taped having sex with a man when
she was underage. Prosecutors charged him anyway, and he was acquitted.

Since then, the state's attorney's office has adopted a more aggressive
stand. In 1995, Beverly Heard refused to testify that she and U.S. Rep.
Mel Reynolds had sex when she was 16. They put her in jail for 13 days,
until she agreed to testify. Reynolds was convicted.

In recent TV interviews, Kelly insisted that, despite the controversy
over the video purporting to show him having sex with a minor, he never
felt compelled to seek out or watch one of the many bootleg copies of
the tape.

"If people out there have a tape of me and they're saying it's me and a
young girl, a minor . . . then they're sadly mistaken or they're
lying," Kelly said on BET. "I can say it with all confidence right here that
it isn't me because I didn't do it. Nowadays, you can make a tape, you
can make a song; it can sound like a person or look like a person . . .
but that's not me."

He did not explain how a 26-minute tape in which the protagonist is
seen staring into the camera and adjusting it could be faked, a feat video
experts have told the Sun-Times would be difficult even for a major
movie studio to pull off.

As the accusations against Kelly have mounted and the videotape of him
has circulated across the country, his fellow hip-hop artists have
distanced themselves from him. "Thong Song" singer Sisqo's new track, "This
Is the Heart," offers the lyric, "The World's Greatest? Whatever! Ain't
nothing but a child molester."

Kelly's album with rapper Jay-Z, "The Best of Both Worlds," sold far
less than expected when it was released in April. Industry executives
blamed the scandal. Jay-Z refused to tour, make videos or even be
photographed with Kelly after the police probe was disclosed.

Rapper Nas recently told an L.A. audience, "We're not up here molesting
children. We're not 'The Best of Both Worlds.' "

Multiplatinum producer Dr. Dre has decided not to release a track with
Kelly. Dr. Dre was quoted in the British newspaper New Nation as
saying, "I haven't seen the video, nor do I want to see it because there's a
kid involved. That's where I draw the line. You can do almost anything
except touch kids or something like that. That's a no-no. You know what
I'm saying? If he's guilty, he's over. I'm just waiting for the
results."

Ministers and community activists in Chicago, Philadelphia, New York,
Atlanta and Los Angeles have decried Kelly's behavior and urged boycotts
of stores that sell his albums and radio stations that play his music.


R. Kelly's ups, downs

January 1992
Kelly releases his debut album, "Born Into the '90s." It sells more
than 1 million copies.

November 1993
Kelly releases "12 Play." It sells 5 million copies.

June 1994
Aaliyah releases her Kelly-produced debut, "Age Ain't Nothing But A
Number." It sells 1 million copies.

Aug. 31, 1994
Kelly and Aaliyah are married in Rosemont.

Feb. 7, 1995
A Michigan judge dissolves the marriage.

September 1995
Michael Jackson's Kelly-produced single "You Are Not Alone" becomes his
first No.1 hit since his sex scandal.

July 1996
Kelly is booked on battery charges in Lafayette, La., after a fight on
the basketball court at a health club. Sources say Kelly desperately
fears doing time in jail.

November 1996
Kelly releases his third album, titled "R. Kelly."

December 1996
The single "I Believe I Can Fly," from the "Space Jam" soundtrack,
peaks at No. 2. Also, Tiffany Hawkins files a lawsuit against Kelly,
charging that he encouraged her to have sex with him when she was underage.

January 1998
Kelly pays Hawkins $250,000 to drop her suit shortly after she gives a
7-1/2-hour deposition about their sexual activities.

April 1998
Kelly is arrested in Chicago for disorderly conduct after allegedly
becoming verbally abusive when asked to turn down the stereo in his 1998
Lincoln.

May 1998
The disorderly conduct charges are dropped.

November 1998
Kelly releases his fourth album, "R." It sells 6 million copies.

April 2000
Aspiring rapper Tracy Sampson, 17, begins having sex with Kelly,
according to her lawsuit.

November 2000
Kelly releases his fifth album, "TP2.com." It debuts at No. 1.

December 2000
A Chicago Sun-Times report details Kelly's alleged trysts with underage
girls.

February 2002
A videotape anonymously sent to the Sun-Times appears to show Kelly
engaging in sex acts with a 14-year-old girl. The Sun-Times turns the tape
over to police.

March 2002
Bootleg copies of the tape begin showing up for sale across America.

April 2002
Kelly settles Sampson's lawsuit, even as another woman, Patrice Jones,
files a new suit accusing Kelly of coercing her into a sexual
relationship when she was 16.

May 2002
A fourth woman settles with Kelly before filing a lawsuit, and a fifth,
Montina Woods, 33, sues Kelly for invasion of privacy, saying she
thought her sex act with him was private, then found out he secretly
videotaped it.
Kelly does TV interviews to deny the accusations in the lawsuits and
say he's not the man in the videotape.

June 2002
Kelly to be indicted for violating state child pornography laws.

[strobelitehoney]

Originally posted by Urbane
Rra is going straight to JAIL..

not to put my bidness out there.. but i'm gonna (*smackin' like Key-lo-lo*). Back in the day.. way way back when i had "oops my panties" moments(only 1 or 2) ... I never danced and put on a show before/after the act. wtf is that all about? again i'm not saying that Rra wasn't wrong for videotaping... but don't play total victim when you was up in there doing the running man necked!

okay.. that's all i got to say about that.

Girl you crazy,...the running man Lmao. and he's not going straight to jail but SCRAIT TO JAIL. DO NOT PASS GO DO NOT COLLECT 200.00 LMAO

all i can do is shake my head, and continue to sharpen my machete, and constantly check my daughter's chasity belt every 10 min.

all I can say is, HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF, and I AM STILL WONDERING, where in the HECK WERE THE PARENTS WHEN ALL OF The videotaping was going on????????
I am mad at them for not being involved in their daughters lives, and keeping tabs on them period,
and at the ages 15,16,17 I understand that they are underage (not consenting adults) but why do people keep calling them kids, (they make it sound like they are 9,&10 years old)

Well he'll get what he deserves, and more. I wonder how high pitch of a song feeling on ya booty will be after he serves his time?

[TLAW]

about time, ain't it?

[thesweetestone]

Originally posted by prayerfull
June 5, 2002

June 2002
Kelly to be indicted for violating state child pornography laws.

Oh, He going down!