Teaxs A&M to leave Big 12

[VandalSquirrel]

Here's the best promotional video about Wazzu, EVER. It is from 1981 or so and the fashion is killer. Spirit squad women in gogo boots, men's gymnastics with suspenders, frat daddies in shorts that make Magnum PI look modest, horseback riding across campus, and the most amazing song ever about Old Wazzu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4sTPRZCRRY

Originally Posted by AXOmom

She attended in 2007-2008, so that's possible. I've heard it called Wazzu, but she says it was new to her until we moved to Oregon and she heard it called that by UofO students, so I guess the campaign's been a limited success- LOL.

We lived in eastern Washington (Spokane) for 11 years with a pretty heavy Mormon contingent. At least there, confusing it with BYU's cougar was never an issue, but that is admittedly, WSU and Gonzaga territory with a little UW thrown in. When you referred to the Cougars, everyone knew who you meant, but I'm not sure how BYU refers to theirs and WSU almost always says, "Cougs or The Cougs or Butch".

She still misses Butch - the Duck freaks her out for some reason.

As to Nike - no, it doesn't own our soul, technically, Phil Knight owns our soul. Nike just helps him market us. It's working out incredibly well, so we're good with that.

Our "fugly" uniforms are unlikely to comfort them much since they just had Nike redesign them last spring with the clear intent of making them a little more "Oregon-like". No doubt the influence of Bill Moos who is a former Oregon AD.

I haven't seen a uniform out of Oregon in years that didn't have something offensive about it, even if it is just an accessory. It always seems like it is going to be okay, and then during the season something sinister happens. For me it is the look that a preschool child of the equipment manager accidentally colored on the cleats with a neon highlighter so in a mad scramble they decided to all do it. I am also over the feather accents as a motif, it could be done better.

Trust this comes from a place of love, as I'm the unfortunate offspring of a Duck and a Beaver, hence attempting to attend Cal and hating it, then going completely out there and eventually ending up in Idaho. The Oregon Duck I grew up with was the old style Donald coming through the O and the colors were stable and not up to interpretation. He had a bow tie, a dish hat, and the current mascot costume creeps me out with soulless eyes and a swishy neck tie scarf thing. The current OSU beaver looks kind of rabid, but I have a soft spot for the Benny and Bernice Beaver couple from my childhood.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...ns-of-all-time

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/201...ms-lsu-tigers/

[AXOmom]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Here's the best promotional video about Wazzu, EVER. It is from 1981 or so and the fashion is killer. Spirit squad women in gogo boots, men's gymnastics with suspenders, frat daddies in shorts that make Magnum PI look modest, horseback riding across campus, and the most amazing song ever about Old Wazzu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4sTPRZCRRY



I haven't seen a uniform out of Oregon in years that didn't have something offensive about it, even if it is just an accessory. It always seems like it is going to be okay, and then during the season something sinister happens. For me it is the look that a preschool child of the equipment manager accidentally colored on the cleats with a neon highlighter so in a mad scramble they decided to all do it. I am also over the feather accents as a motif, it could be done better.

Trust this comes from a place of love, as I'm the unfortunate offspring of a Duck and a Beaver, hence attempting to attend Cal and hating it, then going completely out there and eventually ending up in Idaho. The Oregon Duck I grew up with was the old style Donald coming through the O and the colors were stable and not up to interpretation. He had a bow tie, a dish hat, and the current mascot costume creeps me out with soulless eyes and a swishy neck tie scarf thing. The current OSU beaver looks kind of rabid, but I have a soft spot for the Benny and Bernice Beaver couple from my childhood.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...ns-of-all-time

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/201...ms-lsu-tigers/

Well, we are known as an offensive team so having "offensive" uniforms kind of fits doesn't it? JK - bad joke. I think offensive is a strong term I'd probably save for t-shirts like the ones mentioned in the "I'm too pretty for homework" thread but...for the record, I don't LOVE all the uniforms. I do like combinations 4,6, and 7 in the Bleacherreport. I HATED 9 (always did), and I'm not a fan of neon anything. I don't mind the black additions however (even though it gets OSU all riled up). I'm a little undecided on the grey - I've liked it at times - depending on the combo. And the wings don't bother me one way or another. Take 'em or leave 'em.

I'm not much of a traditionalist - I don't think you could attend U of O happily and be one - so if it the players like them, recruits love them, and others talk about them and then start immitating-I'm cool with it. I started at U of O in 1981 (sadly - the year that WSU video was made, so now I feel REALLY OLD), when it was the old duck. I had moved to Oregon from out of state (Colorado), and to be honest, I thought that duck was the most ridiculous thing I had ever seen - along with the beaver. I wondered what wack jobs had come up with those two mascots, so I was more than happy to see the duck change a little (robo duck went too far however- that was just all kinds of messed up). I do get that some people have a sentimental attachment to various things - I'm just not much of a sentimentalist which is probably fortunate for an Oregon fan.

Thanks for the WSU video. Daughter is down in Eugene this weekend to watch the game with friends - I'll have to show it to her when she gets back. She'll love it! I, on the other hand, remember every one of those fashion trends quite fondly (well, mayber not guys in short/shorts - that was a little disgusting), BUT I'll admit, I kind of miss go-go boots.

[shirley1929]

And the hits keep on coming to the Big 12...

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...le-conferences

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

Well, of course I'm not going to give you the "on the way back" thing , but I agree that Sark's done a much better job than Willingham. THAT was a disaster (nowhere to go but up from that fiasco).

Bellevue's a great team - I WILL root for them this weekend, so we can agree on that much!

PS - We can't stand Woodinville HS though - long story...my children still visably wretch when they meet someone who went there. Not that has anything to do with anything. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Woodinville HS is really just down the road from where I live now. It is a good school, but I'm sure you have your reasons for disliking them

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand, Bellevue owned another California team tonight. I think that's the 4th Calif. school we've beaten. I'm thinking Calif. is seriously overrated.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

And the hits keep on coming to the Big 12...

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...le-conferences

I think it's becoming clearer that OU, OSU, Texas and TT are all going to join the Pac-12...I mean, Pac 16. On the one hand, I hate it, because they're not really at all like the other Pac-12 schools; but on the other hand, they'd probably be put into the same division with Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah, which means the west coast teams would be reunited again in our happy left coast universe.

[AXOmom]

Well its not really me that dislikes them so much - more my kids. I'm sure the school is fine - it had to do with a state football playoff a few years back and a couple of state gymnastics meets in a row.

Congrats to Bellevue though - way to put it to the Californians. Always good to remind them they don't own the Pacific Coast (as they sometimes seem to think).

Personally, I DO NOT want Texas (as is probably clear from my previous posts). Actually I really don't want Oklahoma either because they have whiny fans - but I can live with them. Nonetheless, I can see it going that way. I'm sure it would be depressing for Colorado - who thought they shook all these teams.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

I think it's becoming clearer that OU, OSU, Texas and TT are all going to join the Pac-12...I mean, Pac 16. On the one hand, I hate it, because they're not really at all like the other Pac-12 schools; but on the other hand, they'd probably be put into the same division with Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah, which means the west coast teams would be reunited again in our happy left coast universe.

And I wish those four would just go to the SEC with TX A&M (although I think it would never happen!) because they're more like those schools. However, if the alternative is a PAC-16 with them joining AZ, ASU, Colo & Utah, then so be it.

[shirley1929]

This whole conversation reminds me of this (completely non-PC) look at last year's Big 12 negotiations. Please note that while I think a bunch of it is horrible, I do think quite a bit of it is funny...

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2010/6...-big-12-twelve

[AXOmom]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

This whole conversation reminds me of this (completely non-PC) look at last year's Big 12 negotiations. Please note that while I think a bunch of it is horrible, I do think quite a bit of it is funny...

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2010/6...-big-12-twelve

Okay, big parts of that were inappropriate (especially since I'm getting ready to head out to church) and some parts bordered on offensive, but I have to admit - it was pretty stinkin' funny.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

Okay, big parts of that were inappropriate (especially since I'm getting ready to head out to church) and some parts bordered on offensive, but I have to admit - it was pretty stinkin' funny.

Oh they didn't BORDER on offensive...they WERE offensive, but I couldn't resist. Glad you thought it was funny too!

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

Well its not really me that dislikes them so much - more my kids. I'm sure the school is fine - it had to do with a state football playoff a few years back and a couple of state gymnastics meets in a row.

Congrats to Bellevue though - way to put it to the Californians. Always good to remind them they don't own the Pacific Coast (as they sometimes seem to think).

Personally, I DO NOT want Texas (as is probably clear from my previous posts). Actually I really don't want Oklahoma either because they have whiny fans - but I can live with them. Nonetheless, I can see it going that way. I'm sure it would be depressing for Colorado - who thought they shook all these teams.

No one really wants Texas or OU in the Pac-12. And we REALLY don't want TT or OSU, but we realize the redheaded stepchildren have to come along. If Texas does come over, they will have to agree to equal revenue sharing, and they will probably be forced to ditch the Longhorn Network due to the Pac-12's big TV broadcast deal. Texas would have several equals in the Pac-12 and would not be permitted to run the show the way they do in the Big 12.

[AXOmom]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

No one really wants Texas or OU in the Pac-12. And we REALLY don't want TT or OSU, but we realize the redheaded stepchildren have to come along. If Texas does come over, they will have to agree to equal revenue sharing, and they will probably be forced to ditch the Longhorn Network due to the Pac-12's big TV broadcast deal. Texas would have several equals in the Pac-12 and would not be permitted to run the show the way they do in the Big 12.

Yeah, USC isn't going to let Texas call the shots here without a fight and as I mentioned earlier in this thread - so far at least, I think we've done a little better than the Big XII about trying to keep things as fair as possible (nothing's perfect and that could all change of course). It MIGHT almost be worth it to watch Texas have to operate in a system where they can't run the show....it will certainly be a culture shock for them in more ways than one.


As far as having several equals in the conference - I don't think Texas will ever think they have any equals. That would be against their religion or something.

Objectively, whether or not they have several equals probably depends on the definition of equals - academics, national recognition, football history, revenue, tv viewership, etc?

I wouldn't be too quick to discount OSU (although having two OSU's could get confusing). Granted, I think in terms of bringing in tv revenue you're right - they don't bring much to the table, but they have a good football program and they also have a major booster who donates a TON of money to that school, so they have great facitilities. Not that this does the rest of us any good, and I can't say I'd want to go to an away game there.

[shirley1929]

PAC-16 talk heating up again...no surprise.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ed-source-says