Bisexual Student Says He Was Harassed by Fraternity

[knight_shadow]

I don't believe that any LGLOs have probates in (what I believe to be) the traditional sense of the word. Most use coming out show/probate interchangeably.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I don't believe that any LGLOs have probates in (what I believe to be) the traditional sense of the word. Most use coming out show/probate interchangeably.

The same can be said about most BGLO chapters.

However, there are LGLO and BGLO chapters that have actual probates, even if just to have their "probates" appear at a campus party or something to that effect. In the 90s, LGLO chapters got away with that more than BGLO chapters did. LOL.

In reading the article again:
Ruiz was at Lambda Theta Phi's "Coming Out" or "New Members Salute" ceremony last March where new inductees--and those who failed to complete the pledging process--were presented to an audience.Ruiz said that members of the audience repeatedly called him a "cock sucker" and said that he liked "disco stick."

I can't understand why those who dropped would participate. It seems like it could be either of two things: 1) those who failed to complete were still "on line" or 2) (and I wouldn't know this much) if there is a ceremony after the induction and coming out show.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The same can be said about most BGLO chapters.

However, there are LGLO and BGLO chapters that have actual probates, even if just to have their "probates" appear at a campus party or something to that effect. In the 90s, LGLO chapters got away with that more than BGLO chapters did. LOL.

In reading the article again:
Ruiz was at Lambda Theta Phi's "Coming Out" or "New Members Salute" ceremony last March where new inductees--and those who failed to complete the pledging process--were presented to an audience.Ruiz said that members of the audience repeatedly called him a "cock sucker" and said that he liked "disco stick."

I can't understand why those who dropped would participate. It seems like it could be either of two things: 1) those who failed to complete were still "on line" or 2) (and I wouldn't know this much) if there is a ceremony after the induction and coming out show.

Gotcha.

I don't think this instance was a "true" probate, though, because the Salutes are reserved for initiates of Lambda Theta Phi (and Lambda Theta Alpha) as much as letters/calls/etc are.

I think the author was just confused.

[DrPhil]

Argh! Confused authors jack up GC discussions. Argh!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Argh! Confused authors jack up GC discussions. Argh!

How are we supposed to know who to blame! j/k

My guess is that he was still 'on line' or whatever the appropriate terminology is.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

How are we supposed to know who to blame! j/k

Blame him just in case!!!!!1111111!!!!111111

Originally Posted by Drolefille

My guess is that he was still 'on line' or whatever the appropriate terminology is.

Hmph!

EE-BO told us not to be so concerned with the more minute details. *sitting down*

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

My guess is that he was still 'on line' or whatever the appropriate terminology is.

It says that he dropped, so that's likely not that case.

Originally Posted by from the article

And, ultimately, when Ruiz was prompted to seek medical attention after coming close to fainting it was not because of his sexual orientation. Ruiz was suffering from an ear and sinus infection, diarrhea, multiple bruises and was vomiting after meals. Ruiz told the doctors that he had been working out. The doctors concluded that Ruiz suffered from a lack of sleep. It was because of these illnesses-caused by the hazing-that Ruiz dropped out of pledging ceremonies.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Blame him just in case!!!!!1111111!!!!111111



Hmph!

EE-BO told us not to be so concerned with the more minute details. *sitting down*

You forgot to stomp your feet.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

It says that he dropped, so that's likely not that case.

It's really just not clear, we need another source.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

How are we supposed to know who to blame! j/k

My guess is that he was still 'on line' or whatever the appropriate terminology is.

This is what I got out of the article
1. Ruiz dropped out because of health concerns over hazing.
2. After he dropped, his pledge brother confidant spilled the beans on him being bisexual.
3. Ruiz goes to the induction ceremony and is on-stage when people in the audience start heckling him/harassing him.

Gay or straight I wouldn't have gone to this type of event had I dropped from the fraternity, the possibility of something awkward or shitty happening is too high.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

This is what I got out of the article
1. Ruiz dropped out because of health concerns over hazing.
2. After he dropped, his pledge brother confidant spilled the beans on him being bisexual.
3. Ruiz goes to the induction ceremony and is on-stage when people in the audience start heckling him/harassing him.

Gay or straight I wouldn't have gone to this type of event had I dropped from the fraternity, the possibility of something awkward or shitty happening is too high.

It doesn't make sense for him to be on stage though, unless we're missing some piece of information. If he were just in the audience it'd be one thing, but that wouldn't make it hazing anymore... although it wouldn't be any more appropriate. It makes it sound like he was a participant.

Blah blah bad source, blah blah

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

This is what I got out of the article
1. Ruiz dropped out because of health concerns over hazing.
2. After he dropped, his pledge brother confidant spilled the beans on him being bisexual.
3. Ruiz goes to the induction ceremony and is on-stage when people in the audience start heckling him/harassing him.

Gay or straight I wouldn't have gone to this type of event had I dropped from the fraternity, the possibility of something awkward or shitty happening is too high.

LOL. It seems as though being on stage is to call out those who dropped line. I can see a chapter doing that to embarass droppers and let other GLOs know this person should not be given a second chance. I don't know why someone would agree to be on stage.

Also, many people who drop will be in the audience (often teary eyed LOL) and sometimes chapters find a way to call those who dropped out in the audience.

[sigmadiva]

Just catching up with this thread. I knew the "hilarity" that would happen, so I just went to bed. Anyway......



True story #1:

There was a young woman going through the MIP of a NPHC sorority chapter on the campus of TAMU. During her MIP process she felt that she was being hazed, so she reported the incident to a regional officer, who I'm told, is her aunt.

As a result, that NPHC sorority chapter was suspended from campus for three years.


True story #2:

My own undergrad chapter was having a problem for a while with former members coming back to try to haze current members. And by come back, I mean they would drive from Dallas and South Houston to College Station just to do this.

At the time I was the undergrad chapter advisor and worked to put an end to it. It got to the point that I told the former members that if they didn't stop I was willing to go so far as to just close the chapter until I felt it ready to be open again.


Point being - No, no one has to suffer at the hands of another, especially if they have the power to change the situation. I think this is going over some of y'all's heads.

[DTD Alum]

It is beyond reprehensible for a fraternity to even ask such a blatantly discriminatory question on a survey like this, let alone treat somebody in this manner. Maybe he should have taken a hint that this would be a group of bigots, but it seems like some of you are practically discrediting the obvious hatred these men showed and only half heartedly (or not at all) chastising them, while going in ruthlessly at the victim. So somebody should a) assume that this degree of behavior will happen to them because of one discriminatory question, and b) be silent instead of alerting the world to the prejudices and homophobia in the group? When I see responses like this are essentially rolling their eyes at a victim of hatred challenging the status quo (whether it be about religion, sexual orientation, race, whatever) I honestly find it near impossible to not assume the poster has these same prejudices to some degree...I just can't fathom any other way to make that argument.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DTD Alum

It is beyond reprehensible for a fraternity to even ask such a blatantly discriminatory question on a survey like this, let alone treat somebody in this manner. Maybe he should have taken a hint that this would be a group of bigots, but it seems like some of you are practically discrediting the obvious hatred these men showed and only half heartedly (or not at all) chastising them, while going in ruthlessly at the victim. So somebody should a) assume that this degree of behavior will happen to them because of one discriminatory question, and b) be silent instead of alerting the world to the prejudices and homophobia in the group? When I see responses like this are essentially rolling their eyes at a victim of hatred challenging the status quo (whether it be about religion, sexual orientation, race, whatever) I honestly find it near impossible to not assume the poster has these same prejudices to some degree...I just can't fathom any other way to make that argument.

I like you.

[DrPhil]

I can't find another article. Does that mean this whole story is fake?