Woman claims "I was sterlized against my will!" after having 9 children...

[AGDee]

Not only pending litigation prevents them from talking, but so do HIPAA laws.

[AOII Angel]

I'd be interested to see what her OB-GYN's file looks like (IF she had pre-natal care.) Just because the hospital chart did not include her consent for tubal ligation does NOT mean that her physician's office chart did NOT include a copy of the document. At least in Louisiana, these forms come in triplicate so that there are copies for everyone's chart. If the physician really did sterilize her without consent, shame on him. You stopped one woman from having another child. This would save the tax payers a little money in the grand scheme of things while risking his medical license, the nurses' their licenses and the hospital its Joint Commission standing which could jeopardize its accreditation. It's just not ethically right, though it feels good to stop morons from populating the world without taking responsibility for their progeny. Trust me, we came across this situation on more than a daily basis at LSU since it is a charity hospital. Are you just going to sterilize them all?

[DrPhil]

Am I the only one who is extremely grossed out by this story? Clicking on this thread grosses me out which is why I haven't posted. This woman just seems disgusting.

As for real topic, I feel like it has been discussed on GC before. Almost no medical procedures should be done without the patient's and/or family's consent. I see that as an issue of legality, ethics, and morality.

That's a different issue as my disgust for this woman. Ideally, she would request to be sterilized or God would randomly do that for us. But, a waste of tax payer dollars and being a horrendous parent does not open the door for involuntary sterilization. Condoning that would open the door for something that has happened to "deviants" in the past and would become an unstoppable force when those in power are able to decide who should be involuntarily sterilized.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

As for real topic, I feel like it has been discussed on GC before.

Octomom

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Octomom

True and I think even before then.

I forgot to mention that bringing your own IUD is just strange and gross. I definitely don't think that makes sense. People can set doctors up for malpractice suits and all sorts of things if they bring in their own medical devices. Yikes.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Am I the only one who is extremely grossed out by this story? Clicking on this thread grosses me out which is why I haven't posted. This woman just seems disgusting.

As for real topic, I feel like it has been discussed on GC before. Almost no medical procedures should be done without the patient's and/or family's consent. I see that as an issue of legality, ethics, and morality.

That's a different issue as my disgust for this woman. Ideally, she would request to be sterilized or God would randomly do that for us. But, a waste of tax payer dollars and being a horrendous parent does not open the door for involuntary sterilization. Condoning that would open the door for something that has happened to "deviants" in the past and would become an unstoppable force when those in power are able to decide who should be involuntarily sterilized.

She seems nasty to me as well. And the part about bringing the IUD IS disgusting as well.

[DaemonSeid]

I mean I get the part (now) what someone said earlier about purchasing and bringing your own devices, but it still seems like setting yourself up for 'fail' by doing so...sealed or not.

[DrPhil]

With technology, litigation, and "crazy" at the level that it is these days, I don't think people should be trusted to bring their own devices in what appears to be the original packaging.

Medications, perhaps. Devices, no.

[DaemonSeid]

Not even meds.

[DrPhil]

I was gonna mention the Wendy's chili finger or the instances where people have whooped their own asses to get someone else in trouble.

[DrPhil]

eh...okay...we know that safety nets are only in place after there's proof of mishandling rather than suspicion of the potential for mishandling.

[33girl]

Box in a box or not, this concept still yucks me out, and I have a pretty high tolerance for yucky things.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

eh...okay...we know that safety nets are only in place after there's proof of mishandling rather than suspicion of the potential for mishandling.

Well, all medical products are inspected before use whether or not they are provided by the hospital, because even hospitals have been known to provide expired products, products with broken seals, broken implants,etc. Every item must be inspected for intact packaging, expiration dates, signs of mishandling (ie crushing, folding, evidence of breakage) before using on a patient. It must also be confirmed that the correct product is being used since many malpractice issues have centered around this issue. There is nothing new under the sun...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Well, all medical products are inspected before use whether or not they are provided by the hospital, because even hospitals have been known to provide expired products, products with broken seals, broken implants,etc. Every item must be inspected for intact packaging, expiration dates, signs of mishandling (ie crushing, folding, evidence of breakage) before using on a patient. It must also be confirmed that the correct product is being used since many malpractice issues have centered around this issue. There is nothing new under the sun...

So, it must be confirmed that the device is absolutely positively untampered and working in the condition that it was given to the patient?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So, it must be confirmed that the device is absolutely positively untampered and working in the condition that it was given to the patient?

Exactly.