Nasty songs!

[justamom]

Actually, in our town we have a "Noise Ordinance" and when people play their music too loud, they can be arrested.

[DGPhoney]

good for you all maybe then you all can tell them what to play and what to listen too

[KSig RC]

Wow do I hate to bump this to the top, but . . .

Perhaps part of the quandry can be traced back to one unanswerable question: does the "desensitizing" effect of music/video/audio/etc stimuli exist as an aftereffect of being treated with the stimuli, or rather does this desensitization allow the stimulus to take hold and have effect?

To me, saying that the exhibition of pornography on television would garner viewers is akin to making the statement that that's what people really want to see. Honestly, if a certain word, image, or feeling is something you just don't want to be a part of, isn't the onus then on one's self to remove this feeling?

Justamom has some great points about children and what they are exposed to today - your point of view is very refreshing on a board where the views of those in a certain age demographic (which happens to be mine) tend to prevail. Your point can be tied back to many of my feelings by stating that perhaps it is best to bombard an individual with every possible stimulus, and trust the individual to root out right from wrong - while I can think of seven million reasons why people should never be overestimated, it is antihumanistic to not grant people this sort of choice.

If pornography were on television, I may just choose to tune in from time to time - would that make me a less moral person? Depending on your moral values, perhaps. However, it would not change the moral structures that I depend on; all that would change would be the extent to which I had the choice to entertain my particular beliefs.

On public radio frequencies, millions of teenagers are being bombarded with a song extolling the deficiencies of the 'one-minute man' . . . perhaps even some of these pre-adolescents understand the message. But why do they understand this message? It is certainly not because this particular song triggered a sudden cascade in sexual understanding - rather, it merely allows them to blush and giggle, perhaps make a ribald joke or two.

The points? It is impossible to differentiate the level of 'desensitizations' due to this sort of stimulus response from the amount that was there before - it is, afterall, a response. Even more importantly, we should all re-read what Justamom has to say about how to raise a child - she's exactly right on. I'd just like to extend her points to the next level, which requires that we all utilize our PERSONAL, SUBJECTIVE moral value systems to make each of us the best person possible. I will openly suggest that morals and values are less impacted by the stimuli APPLIED TO a person, and more impacted by the RESPONSES TO these applied stimuli. When I hear songs about 'backing that azz up' or being a 'one-minute man', I usually laugh - it's never made me think "wait a minute, women really are objects! Hot damn!" I realize children are impressionable . . . but so are adults, just look to the science of advertising for proof of this. It's making decisions personalized and having direct accountability that allows us to take control of situations, and prove our moral mettle on the battlefield of life rather than in the salons of academia.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Steeltrap
Justamom,
To clarify, I was putting out a hypothetical situation if I ever have children.
I'd expect my kids to possibly be exposed to some stuff I disdained, especially if they do go to other kids' homes where the parents have different values.
But I'd also hope that I'd raise my children to the point where they would rather listen to Miles Davis than most popular music, including boy bands and teenybopper girl singers, which I consider vapid, about 60 percent of the time.

Steeltrap, I am SO with you on that one!

I am as offended (probably more) by unimaginative, pandering, brainless music as I am by anything that uses this or that "naughty"word. I cannot cope with the fact that there are 15 year olds out there who have no clue who the Beatles are and think music began with the Backstreet Boys.

My parents never forbade me from listening to anything, but they also exposed me to a lot of good music (Glenn Miller and Nat King Cole most often). They loved those entertainers and always played them around me, so I grew to love them too. I think exposing children to good things (be it music, TV, movies or food) and raising them to appreciate them is much more effective than forbidding the "bad" things.

[Steeltrap]

33:
Exposing the kids to good music works well. When I was a little person, in the mid to late 60s (dating myself) , my mom and dad exposed me to jazz, good ol' soul like Aretha Franklin, classical and even easy listening (I can remember Ed Sullivan and Dean Martin's variety shows so clearly).
It took me a while, but these days I'm a devoted jazzhead and am so thankful my parents exposed me to that.

(Listening to America's Jazz Station, KLON-FM, www.klon.org, as I type this).

ST

[Dejajeva]

Okay, as you could ask anyone who possibly knows me- I have the worlds most extensive array of music outside of a store. Frank Sinatra is a god to me. Aretha Franklin is brilliant. Benny Goodman is fabulous. I'm a theatre major and music is an undeniable part of theatre and the entertainment biz. There's a saying in costume shop at school..... Other people's music teaches you patience.

We listen to some crazy shit in costume too. But we must sit there, grin and bear it, and sew.

Also, why in the world did anyone bring up porn???????

What does porn have to do with this.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that 95 percent of the males reading this board frequent porn. I'd also say that about 70 percent of the females do as well.

And you know who you are, too.


So don't bring up porn here, it's silly.


I understand the comments about it being a debate and yadda yadda yadda.


Parents, there's a saying.


Raise a child in the way he should go and he will not falter.



PS. I keep saying.
TURN ON CHRISTIAN RADIO.
Expose your kids to that.

It's about loving eachother and I gaurentee it wont have any videos of missy on a vibrating bed.


But, I'll be on MTV if you need me.
Jess

[curiouss]

Moving on up!

[SH80er]

Curious,

You'll love Three 6 Mafia's new song, "She's a two-way freak".

[SilverTurtle]

Wow.. how did I miss out on this conversation for so long? Anyways.. a few quick responses (I hope):

• The Lords of Acid song is actually "Show Me Your P___Y". They're sort of a hard core, metal, alt-rock band. All of their stuff is this shocking, hard-core, sex stuff. You know- when you hear it you're just like "I can't belive they're singing about this!".
  
• I belive that someone (SigChi Card?) brought up pornography as a comparitve point. You know... to show a different example and force you to think about things in another light.. as the big picture.
  
• I am 100% against censorship in any form- of adults. Children, on the other hand, are a responsibility. Yes- their parents responsibility. But I'd be pretty irked if my 6 year old neice was listening to Lords of Acid. Or, for that matter, Britney Spears. Last Christmas I got her a little tape player & struggled with what music to get her along with it. I want to expose her to all kinds of music, but at the same time, there's a time and place for everything. I got some light pop stuff-not Britney- & can't wait until she's old enough to listen to things more my taste. Until then... it's got to be kiddie stuff, jazz & classical music.
  
  My point- show respect for others... don't force them to listen to your music just because you want to play it at full-blast to make a point.
  
• Music does have an affect on some people... others just shrug it off. It depends on the person. You ask why rap is so frequently under attack. Aside from the obvious value of singing about rape, murder, packin' heat, getting high & gang banging...
  Have you seen the types of neighborhoods this stuff comes out of? (And by that I mean the stuff they rap about, not the people themselves). Do you really think it's something that needs glorified? Sure, they're rapping about their experiences. But making it sound like a *good* thing to do is probably going to influence some people.
  
• Someone (I forget who, sorry!) keeps mentioning Christian radio. If you like Hip-Hop, Rap, Alternative, Rock check this out: www.radiou.com
  
  It's one of the best radio stations I've heard - and I interned there in college - and you'll be surprised it's Christian music.
  
  

I'm glad that everyone listens to what they like... I think that's great. I listen to all kinds of music.. rock, goth rock, jazz, classical, even a bit of pop rock,etc. (Anything but country & easy listening). When I hear something I don't like... I don't buy it & I change the radio.

[DGPhoney]

before you get my point wrong, and try to clarrify what I say, I think I am pretty capable of doing that myself. Anyway, my point was not to play my music loud to prove a point. If it's som,ething I want to hear at that time frame , I will play it loud and will not be told to turn it down, If I brought it, am listening to it in my house my car or whereever, I have the right to play it at any volume I choose whether you like it or not. As for the people with the music tolerance Law, good for you, cause it's not in my state or area, so I could care Less. If you like being told how loud and what to play then thats all on you.
I mean as for Rap that many of you seem to be jumping on the band wagan againist, not every rap song talks about all the violence and what not there are many other artist who don't rap about negative things. But yet in the same sense its ok then for Hard rock to talk about rape and all the other negative things and talk about it as if it's a "good" thing. Must be a double standard somewhere, hmmm.
I listen to tons of music and refuse ever to be told what to listen too, what to buy, what not to read or what not to look at. Last time I checked it was 2001!!
DGPhoney~

[Senusret I]

And what an interesting thread it was!

Are songs nastier now than they were then?

Seems like R. Kelly got a little better.

[decadence]

Originally posted by Senusret I:
And what an interesting thread it was!
Are songs nastier now than they were then?
Seems like R. Kelly got a little better.

Who? Ohh the child molester. Eww.

Originally posted by decadence
Who? Ohh the child molester. Eww.

You really need to find a new form of attack for the great R. Kelly. Seriously, even that's getting old.

[decadence]

[ajuhdg]

I just read through this laughing my butt off! I don't know if some of the original posters are still around, but oh my god! I think that the thread got completely for and against, and that was just plain silly. I think it was a redundant, petty argument top just say 'turn the radio off'. DUH! Tell me something I don't know.

Anyways, I don't know if this song is in the states...since I live in Germany we have one 'American' station, and they play ten songs OVER and OVER. So, anyway, I've had it on this German station lately. There is this STUPID song that plays repeatedly, and I now turn it off everytime it comes on. For the faint of heart, don't read the lyrics...most German stations don't censor language: The chorus is basically this "The things I said, they don't mean shit now....Fuck you, you ho, I don't want you back" This is probably the DUMBEST song, I've ever heard, and the guy can't even sing!

For the record, public radio means available to everyone. I would NOT want my children at young ages to hear the 'messages' provided by these songs. While shopping at some stores, I've heard similar songs blasted on the radio, and I HAVE asked them to change the station. I was with my 10 and 6 year old cousins, and 'How many Licks?' was on.

I admit some of it is fun, but I don't buy it. Just my opinion...

aj