Winners, losers emerge in UA sorority race debate

[WestcoastWonder]

Originally Posted by KDCat

Does the Diversity Dashiki come in Lilly prints?

OH MY GOD!!!!! *dead!!*

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ADPiEE

Many AA NPC girls in Texas

I doubt it.

Since Kevin quoted Bama54's "I'm a good white person" rant, suffice it to say the average white woman who grew up in the 1960s was not fighting along with racial and ethnic minority women for gender equality in the workforce. The majority of white women were fighting alongside other white women. Poor white women and nonwhite women were overwhelmingly excluded. Examples of this are in Black feminism (bell hooks is one perspective), the history behind the Black power movements, and the struggles that Black women faced in fighting alongside our sexist (in general) Black men. Many Black women preferred to fight for Black power than to further women's liberation with overwhelmingly racist (in general) white women.

It is wonderful if Bama54 was among those relative few who were fighting alongside nonwhite women but that was not a general truth and it shouldn't be presented as such.


But I call bullshit on Bama54. A real discussion has happened in plenty of threads. Bama54's late self is not presenting anything new. And people like Bama54 cannot have a real discussion because they still need to learn what "minority" means. People who need Introductory courses cannot have discussions. Further, I call bullsht because someone who claims to have been fighting for rights with nonwhite women would not be dumb enough to not know what minority means in this context. Bullshit...I call it.

[summer_gphib]

Originally Posted by PersistentDST

You guys are so funny...and so is this thread! Diversity dashiki's and quilt's...

Not to be snarky... but adding an "apostrophe s" does not make a plural!

[DubaiSis]

I think we have great discussions here, this Bama thing being a great example. This is a very complicated and awkward situation. Can we as individuals solve ANY of it? Probably not. I'm not aware of any active Bama sorority women who frequent this site and they are the only ones who would have any real power. HOWEVER, we can learn more about the deeper issues of a "post racial" America, because it doesn't exist. We can also learn that some of the things we say as fact or common sense are neither. And we can speculate about how to save the world, one rush and one campus at a time. How do you fight tokenism when you are trying to move from zero to some? How do you do this without making the young women in question feel like so much raw meat? How can we ensure that our alumnae everywhere turn off the douchiness? These things can be discussed, and have been often. When discussion can't happen is when you say something stupid, get called on it and flounce off. A better debater and/or conversationalist would instead 1-cry mea culpa, 2-argue her point because she still thinks she's right or 3-zip it because responding simply will not help.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by KDCat

Does the Diversity Dashiki come in Lilly prints?

Do you have any clue how expensive vintage lilly fabric is? not to mention very hard to find? And don't get upset, i'm not being mean, i just know that people have no clue what fabric costs! I really like it but not enough to pay for it and make something of it. however i'd be willing to cut up lilly dresses, etc, if anyone sends them to me. some of those prints are begging for fussy cuts.

And we should all be agreeing on the use of "minority" so there's no more dissenting or misunderstanding.

In other news... *crickets*

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Not a peep about time limits on COB in the Green Book.

lol, there is probably a lot about this situation that isn't in your Green Book.

[ADPiEE]

[QUOTE=DrPhil;2242057]I doubt it.

I probably should have said several over the years. I know of several AA active members/alumnae in my own group from Texas and several active/alumnae AA from other NPC's from Texas. They have been from large Texas Greek systems and small Texas Greek systems, as well as both urban and more rural Greek systems. I can't speak for UT but I know Tech had their first AA NPC member almost 20 years ago.

I'm not saying that Texas is the land of equal NPC diversity (I think partially because we have very large, popular NPHC and multicultural groups to compete with) but I will say some Texas Greek systems, in my observation, are fairly diverse with members of all races (including AA)/religions/etc.

Some meaning around 5
Several meaning more than 10

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I doubt it.

It is wonderful if Bama54 was among those relative few who were fighting alongside nonwhite women but that was not a general truth and it shouldn't be presented as such.

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You are wrong. In the 70s, 80s and 90s women united together to make a difference in the workplace.
I can tell you women of all races were discriminated against by men of all races. FACT! I know all about tokenism, having been a woman in a traditional male field starting in the 70s.

Still don't know why you are so nasty.
Obviously you are not at the University of Alabama, so why did you even respond? I found my answer by the way.
Don't presume to know me or what I stand for especially in public. I could make public presumptions about you which would be right on the money, but I won't.
Enjoy living your life on chat forums. I have better things to do.

[DubaiSis]

Promise?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ADPiEE

I probably should have said several over the years.

Ohhhh...darn....

I want people to stop exaggerating when it comes to race and ethnicity. I saw many white people at the airport today but I only sat beside one white person on the plane. Pretty straightforward.

Originally Posted by Bama54

I can tell you women of all races were discriminated against by men of all races. FACT!

DUH. That doesn't mean that women overwhelmingly banded together across race, ethnicity, and socioeconomic status to fight that discrimination. People with even a basic understanding of the intersection of race and ethnicity, gender, and social class in a capitalist society would understand that.

By the way, racial and ethnic minority men did not/do not have the same power that white men had/have. The majority of the discrimination was done/is done by white men because they did/do the majority of hiring and firing. Racial and ethnic minority men benefit on the basis of gender but arguably white women benefit more. Generally speaking, when white women struggled they had their white men to fall back on. When racial and ethnic minority men struggled, generally speaking, they had their overwhelmingly low income or unemployed racial and ethnic minority women to fall back on.*

*Certain Asian ethnicities tend to be exceptions when discussing income and employment across gender and race and ethnicity

Originally Posted by Bama54

Still don't know why you are so nasty.
Obviously you are not at the University of Alabama, so why did you even respond? I found my answer by the way.
Don't presume to know me or what I stand for especially in public. I could make public presumptions about you which would be right on the money, but I won't.
Enjoy living your life on chat forums. I have better things to do.

I apologize if you feel like a minority. *giving you the Minority Hug*

Power to the people.

[Titchou]

Maybe this one need closing too....

[DrPhil]

No, keep this thread open. That UA thread lasted for over 40 pages. This thread is not hardly as dumb as that thread was.

[AZTheta]

well, it isn't about the Delta Gamma alumna, despite the intent of She Who Shall Not Be Named. I say leave it open. It's been very informative.

As previously (and repeatedly) established she likes to have the last word/insult....wait for it. The condescension meter is flying off the charts.

lol.

[ADPiEE]

Dr. Phil, I stand corrected and I apologize...

According to Websters:
Many=large but indefinite number
Several=more than 2 but not very many
Some=unspecified amount

from now on, I'm only using some

[DrPhil]

You're a good sport.

As far as some people are concerned, "one is a ton" and "any is many".