B.E. article on APhiA Arizona Boycott.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Sorry about that. I thought that I was giving you a compliment.

The context wasn't complimentary.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I guess, to a point. I just don't think it is always so cut and dry based strictly on race / ethnicity as you are trying to make it. There may be some tendencies to trends, but I also think there are a lot of exceptions to the rule.

Strictly? The part of my post that you quoted stated "country of origin, race and ethnicity, AND socioeconomic status."

The very nature of trends is that there are exceptions. The trends are more important to me for the purpose of this discussion because the illegal immigration debate confuses trends with exceptions, as evidenced by the following:

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Have you not experienced the arrogance of illegal immigrants in this country towards you, as a Black American? I mean, some of these people come over here, they don't speak the language, don't want to assimilate and socialize with you, and yet they want to look down their nose at you like being a Black American is a second class citizen when they have no rights in this country.

LOL. I hope you know that you have proven my points. So, you just don't LIKE them or something? You've had enough of being treated like a negroid by white folks (in general) and will be darned if those newbies come here illegally and treat you like a negroid? Do you really give a darn about how they perceive you as a Black American? Really? Illegal immigrants aren't the only people here who don't speak the language and don't want to assimilate or socialize with you. Let the record show that assimilating and socializing with Black people has always been the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to living in the America. Surely your experience as a Black American has given you thicker skin than to care about such things.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Why did you reply twice to the same post?

I'm more awake now, so I guess I have more to say.

No, and I think you're keen enough (and have hopefully read enough of my posts on Greekchat where I have discussed middle and upper class Blacks and poor whites) to know that. This is where I must be cliche' and advise you to research what "high correlation" means in terms of trends and patterns in our social world.

I just don't think many people, white, Black, brown, are going to see this issue in a social context. You and I can talk about it all day, but I can almost promise that the people in Arizona are not thinking about it in some socioeconomic, racial. ethnic context. Those are the people you need to convince.

I tend to jokingly seriously depict people as dumb but it's not because people HAVE to be dumb. How the illegal immigration debate is being carried out is about perceived group threat (i.e. "they are taking our jobs") that uses fear of the "other" (i.e. illegal immigrants who "don't look like us") to rile people up.

This argument style is used a lot though. Both ways. "They are keeping drugs in our community", "They are keeping the quality of our schools down". Yes, "they" may be, but we also have a responsibility to ourselves too that we must fulfill.

This is not about the average American (who is not a "Joe," by the way) being an idiot who is void of social consciousness. I really want to believe that the Europeans were NOT accurate in depicting Americans as dummies who were incapable of even staging a worker revolt.

No, they were just wrong and underestimated the Americans desire.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The context wasn't complimentary.



Strictly? The part of my post that you quoted stated "country of origin, race and ethnicity, AND socioeconomic status."

The very nature of trends is that there are exceptions. The trends are more important to me for the purpose of this discussion because the illegal immigration debate confuses trends with exceptions, as evidenced by the following:

Right, they are important to you. But, to the people of Arizona, they are not. They are the one who are going to vote and support this law.

And, quite frankly, people don't want to discuss. They want action. They want something done, however they perceive it.

LOL. I hope you know that you have proven my points. So, you just don't LIKE them or something?

Oh on the contrary. I've dated them, "or something".

You've had enough of being treated like a negroid by white folks (in general) and will be darned if those newbies come here illegally and treat you like a negroid? Do you really give a darn about how they perceive you as a Black American? Really?

Yes, I do, because their perception of Black Americans usually come from stereotypes that they have seen on TV - rap music, sagging pants, "baby mama drama". There is more to Black culture and history in this country than what they get. So yeah, it does bother me.

Illegal immigrants aren't the only people here who don't speak the language and don't want to assimilate or socialize with you.

Yes, I agree.

Let the record show that assimilating and socializing with Black people has always been the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to living in the America.

The Kardashians don't seem to think so!

Surely your experience as a Black American has given you thicker skin than to care about such things.

Oh yes, I do have thick skin. And I do care about "such things". I care about my community and who is coming into it and what they are doing. I care about my state and my country because my ancestors have had an (unsung) influence in shaping both. I care very much. I know who I am and where I come from. I care.

[BluPhire]

Well either way a judge just blocked the controversial parts of the law.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100728/...na_immigration

PHOENIX – A judge has blocked the most controversial sections of Arizona's new immigration law from taking effect Thursday, handing a major legal victory to opponents of the crackdown.
The law will still take effect Thursday, but without many of the provisions that angered opponents — including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws. The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.
Opponents say the law will lead to racial profiling and is trumped by federal immigration law.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The sheriff of the most populous county in Arizona says he's "not going to put up with any civil disobedience" when the state's new immigration law takes effect.
Maricopa Sheriff Joe Arpaio says that if protesters want to block his jail, he'll put them in it.
The Arizona law, which takes effect Thursday, requires officers enforcing other laws to check a person's immigration status if they suspect the person is in the country illegally.
Arpaio told ABC's "Good Morning America" he doesn't know "what the big hype is."
He says it's "a crime to be here illegally and everyone should enforce" the law.

[DrPhil]

Sigmadiva...what? LOL.

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Well either way a judge just blocked the controversial parts of the law.

That's really good, thanks for the link.

rant/

Of course, one judge blocking it doesn't make that ruling final. It also doesn't mean that the controversial parts of the law won't be informally enacted. Also, that link that I posted about people sending lists of illegal (and legal) immigrants means that the ball is already rolling.

/rant