NPHC grade requirements?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Originally Posted by tld221

yeah, well the white fraternities common sense is always absurdly lower than the rest of the pack.

-tld221
--do you see the stupid isht they do? sheesh.

We already know that this is one of "those" threads.

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I'm all about continuing to talk about this but what "what" should I try to explain?

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

You know, the more I think about this thread, I have questions for the OP. Such as... WHY?

But, I've been on GC since '01 and have come to realize that it is the GC way to swerve out of your lane.

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[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

It might turn out that all NPHC groups have higher average GPAs nationally than the NPC and NIC groups. And it would be equally interesting to speculate about why that would be true. Would smaller chapters inspire a person to work harder in class because he or she is one of the few representatives of the group? Is it that the legacy of perseverance and triumph that some of the groups have inspires at a deep level? It it that only the academic creme de la creme join NPHCs, so the average high school experience by race doesn't matter? Is it that by joining later, you'd be more serious?

I really wish there was a collection of threads that we could just point people to where this topic has been discussed in some form. What a boring topic.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

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But is a comparison in anyone's lane?

It's not just about NPHC policy really.

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I think all NPC have ideals that value scholarship, so it's not contrary in any way for them to value getting good grades, but I do really think that for some chapters, GPA is really emphasized more than at others. And I think once you are number one, it's really hard to face falling to three or four, so the really competitive chapters may be less interested in a girl who is a "grade risk" during recruitment and then they start self selecting for high grades maybe more than other chapters.

(Although all chapters want girls with good grades, I think, and to be honest, the whole process kind of self selects for the same type of good-grade making, involved on campus type of person.)

And NPCs typically are bigger, so one or two girls aren't going to pull their average down that much, absolutely.

But you know, it seems like we're almost accepting that NPC grades would be higher when we really don't have conclusive evidence of that. That's what I mean about it generally being interesting. If it were true, these might be the reasons.

It might turn out that all NPHC groups have higher average GPAs nationally than the NPC and NIC groups. And it would be equally interesting to speculate about why that would be true. Would smaller chapters inspire a person to work harder in class because he or she is one of the few representatives of the group? Is it that the legacy of perseverance and triumph that some of the groups have inspires at a deep level? It it that only the academic creme de la creme join NPHCs, so the average high school experience by race doesn't matter? Is it that by joining later, you'd be more serious?

That value is echoed in the NPHC as well. (side note: I've never spoken in terms of the NPHC outside of GC. In UG and beyond, it was just about Delta! )

You're pondering pretty hard on an issue that is very campus-specific. The OP should go ask those chapter members why their GPA is so low then report his/her findings.

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

But is a comparison in anyone's lane?

It's not just about NPHC policy really.

Go back and read the first post...

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

That value is echoed in the NPHC as well. (side note: I've never spoken in terms of the NPHC outside of GC. In UG and beyond, it was just about Delta! )

You're pondering pretty hard on an issue that is very campus-specific. The OP should go ask those chapter members why their GPA is so low then report his/her findings.

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that other groups didn't value scholarship. I was just clarifying that when groups were out to make good grades, it wasn't just about showing other people up. The competition may be enjoyable when you are at the top, but it does serve the overall values too.

Well, the topic might be campus specific, it might be part of a broad trend, or it might be an exception to the trend. But it's tied to a pretty important issue in terms of trends in educational achievement.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

But is a comparison in anyone's lane?

It's not just about NPHC policy really.

Nah but this is just a...strange topic.

And the OP is...strange...and operated from a strange premise. The title is...strange because I was about to tell the person to look up our GPA requirements for pursuing membership and move on. I figured it was obvious that all GLOs are held to some academic standard at every school that has academic standards for students and GLOs. Why would NPHC orgs not be held to a GPA standard?

(I'm not even concerned with the different explanations for why GPAs vary.)

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

Go back and read the first post...

I can see you are right and the OP does ask that.

Would we really be better off has she not wondered?

I think it helps the reputation of all groups for people to understand that even if the chapter on your campus isn't doing well scholastically, the national organization does value it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Well, the topic might be campus specific, it might be part of a broad trend, or it might be an exception to the trend. But it's tied to a pretty important issue in terms of trends in educational achievement.

But this thread is just about NPHC chapters that certain folks have observed. Nothing much to discuss that hasn't already been discussed. And why this person is wondering about the "educational achievement" of the NPHC chapters in question is beyond my comprehension.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Would we really be better off has she not wondered?

She can wonder all she wants. We will respond to it however we choose to.

She's not the first to ask that type of question (educational achievement is a hot topic in the black community, among educators, and big in NPHC orgs) but how the question gets answered often depends on the asker and how the question is phrased. I don't like how the topic was framed

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Nah but this is just a...strange topic.

And the OP is...strange...and operated from a strange premise. The title is...strange because I was about to tell the person to look up our GPA requirements for pursuing membership and move on. I figured it was obvious that all GLOs are held to some academic standard at every school that has academic standards for students and GLOs. Why would NPHC orgs not be held to a GPA standard?

(I'm not even concerned with the different explanations for why GPAs vary.)

Well, let's say you were from a campus where the chapters of the NPC groups all had bad GPAs and one in particular was below a 2.0, so you felt pretty sure that no national org. was going to be cool with that. (When it's above a 2.0 it could just be difference in group cut standards.)

And yet, the groups all seems to be participating in all the activities that your group might shut down if the chapter's grades were too low. (To tell you the truth, I have no idea what happens if you don't meet the GPA requirements of you organization and your campus, but I'm assuming there would be social penalties, maybe?) So if the NPCs basically just seemed to be skating along, wouldn't you be a little curious about what was up with that?

And if you had an outlet to ask this question without saying it face to face, might you not give it a whirl?

[MeezDiscreet]

You know why that question is hard for me to answer (even though you didn't necessarily ask me but my soror DSTChaos)?

Because I wouldn't even know what the GPAs of those other groups are because I wouldn't care enough about those things to find out.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

You know why that question is hard for me to answer (even though you didn't necessarily ask me but my soror DSTChaos)?

Because I wouldn't even know what the GPAs of those other groups are because I wouldn't care enough about those things to find out.

Well, some campuses print out grade reports that have every chapter listed by GPA. Sometimes they are done by council or conference and sometimes it includes every GLO on campus. It seems like the OP's school puts everyone on the same list.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Well, let's say you were from a campus where the chapters of the NPC groups all had bad GPAs and one in particular was below a 2.0, so you felt pretty sure that no national org. was going to be cool with that. (When it's above a 2.0 it could just be difference in group cut standards.)

And yet, the groups all seems to be participating in all the activities that your group might shut down if the chapter's grades were too low. (To tell you the truth, I have no idea what happens if you don't meet the GPA requirements of you organization and your campus, but I'm assuming there would be social penalties, maybe?) So if the NPCs basically just seemed to be skating along, wouldn't you be a little curious about what was up with that?

That wasn't the OP's question. The OP never said anything about NPHC orgs not being on social probation and carrying on business as usual eventhough they have fallen below the GPA minimum. Instead, the OP doesn't know what's going on, beyond some stats, and expects us to chime in.

To answer your question, I wouldn't care at a philosophical level because I had a yard to run and the NPC and IFC orgs just weren't part of that equation (except for the 1 fraternity that we did joint programs with).

When I was an undergrad, I wouldn't have been curious unless I knew that these groups were violating some rules that the SCHOOL has set forth and they were getting consideration that the NPHC orgs weren't. And if the OP knows that some SCHOOL rules are being violated, her/his questions would be answered. And she'd know that SCHOOL rules often trump organizational rules when it comes to things like academic performance.