NPC sororities and other national sororities - Page 3

DSTRen13 · #31 05-20-2008, 11:23 AM

There have been instances of an NPC chapter being suspended at a school, and interested girls bringing a non-NPC group to their school to join "in the meantime". (This happens with NPHC and certain groups as well.) Obviously, this is WRONG to do, but it's even more wrong when once the NPC group comes back and all the girls who really wanted to join that group bolt from the group they brought to campus and leave a handful of girls behind who joined the org for the right reasons. IMO, it would be completely inexcusable for those girls to shut down the chapter they created for their "in the meantime" group.

(I realize this is not the same as the two instances that you are discussing, I just wanted to throw it in as something that does happen.)

AOII Angel · #32 05-20-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that part of the issue with the 2 KBG chapters that did this is that not only did they affiliate with an NPC, they closed their chapter. They could have disaffiliated as individuals, formed an interest group and found an NPC the same way - while keeping the KBG chapter open for any other individuals who might still want that choice, or for their national to come in and try to reorganize.

It's kind of like going through rush and saying "not only am I not going to put ABC on my pref card, I am going to find all the pref cards w/ ABC on them and erase them."

You are assuming that any women were left in the chapter to keep it running. Nothing was really stopping KBG from going in and recruiting new members to keep the chapter open. Forming an interest group is simply a formality. In the end, the result would be the same. An interest group of former KBG members and no KBG chapter.

SoCalGirl · #33 05-20-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTRen13

There have been instances of an NPC chapter being suspended at a school, and interested girls bringing a non-NPC group to their school to join "in the meantime". (This happens with NPHC and certain groups as well.) Obviously, this is WRONG to do, but it's even more wrong when once the NPC group comes back and all the girls who really wanted to join that group bolt from the group they brought to campus and leave a handful of girls behind who joined the org for the right reasons. IMO, it would be completely inexcusable for those girls to shut down the chapter they created for their "in the meantime" group.

(I realize this is not the same as the two instances that you are discussing, I just wanted to throw it in as something that does happen.)

There's a different between bringing in an existing group and creating a group that will serve as an interest group. The latter is perfectly acceptable. The former is sketchy.

33girl · #34 05-20-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You are assuming that any women were left in the chapter to keep it running. Nothing was really stopping KBG from going in and recruiting new members to keep the chapter open.

Except the school.

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Originally Posted by lucgreek

the girls went looking for a new association and i think around 8-9 sororities visited campus and met the girls and the girls ultimately decided to affiliate with KKG. luc greek life accepted this because nearly all of the girls voted to dissassociate themselves and all pledged to KKG. girls that did not want the switch simply did not join KKG and KBG was barred from recruiting new members by luc greek life.

Those girls that did not want the switch - and it's irrelevant if it was 10 or 1 - had their chapter taken away when it did not have to be.

33girl · #35 05-20-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

There's a different between bringing in an existing group and creating a group that will serve as an interest group. The latter is perfectly acceptable. The former is sketchy.

She's talking about something like:

Sigma Kappa gets suspended from campus for 2 years (for intimidating everyone with their hotness)
The girls who had been interested in SK but didn't get to pledge start a chapter of Gamma Sigma Sigma
SK gets off their suspension and all the GSS sisters who really wanted to be SKs quit GSS.

Don't get me started on the whole "starting a chapter of a non-NPC national and acting like an NPC to get around the campus not being open for expansion" concept.

DSTRen13 · #36 05-20-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

She's talking about something like:

Sigma Kappa gets suspended from campus for 2 years (for intimidating everyone with their hotness)
The girls who had been interested in SK but didn't get to pledge start a chapter of Gamma Sigma Sigma
SK gets off their suspension and all the GSS sisters who really wanted to be SKs quit GSS.

Yes, thank you, that's what I meant. To use your hypothetical, it sucks for the girls who joined GSS and DIDN'T want to be SKs that get left behind, and it sucks for GSS overall who have to pick up the pieces and repair the damage to that chapter. If the SK girls closed the GSS chapter entirely upon their leaving, that would just be downright MEAN.

BlueNYC2 · #37 05-20-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

She's talking about something like:

Sigma Kappa gets suspended from campus for 2 years (for intimidating everyone with their hotness)
The girls who had been interested in SK but didn't get to pledge start a chapter of Gamma Sigma Sigma
SK gets off their suspension and all the GSS sisters who really wanted to be SKs quit GSS.

Don't get me started on the whole "starting a chapter of a non-NPC national and acting like an NPC to get around the campus not being open for expansion" concept.

but wait...isnt GSS a service org, while SK is a social org...not the same thing...so why wouldnt they be able to join SK???

DSTRen13 · #38 05-20-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

but wait...isnt GSS a service org, while SK is a social org...not the same thing...so why wouldnt they be able to join SK???

They can. There's nothing prohibiting them from doing both, but if they only reason they started the GSS chapter was because the SK chapter was suspended, then they don't really care about the org, it's just a substitute for them until SK comes back.

BlueNYC2 · #39 05-20-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTRen13

They can. There's nothing prohibiting them from doing both, but if they only reason they started the GSS chapter was because the SK chapter was suspended, then they don't really care about the org, it's just a substitute for them until SK comes back.

oh ok...i got you...but then again, that is kinda hard to prove that, since both orgs have different scopes. one is service, one is social...but i get what you're sayin

DSTCHAOS · #40 05-20-2008, 03:53 PM

A better example would be with another NPC or an NPHC org that was started to "pass the time" until SK came back.

Sure, GSS was used to pass the time but none of that matters if GSS members can join NPC and NPHC organizations.

AOII Angel · #41 05-20-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Except the school.

Those girls that did not want the switch - and it's irrelevant if it was 10 or 1 - had their chapter taken away when it did not have to be.

If the school wouldn't let KBG continue...that's the school's decision, not the women who decided to become KKGs. Unless there is proof that the school said,"You can all be KBGs or most of you can switch to KKG and we'll close KBG." then how does it become the fault of the women who switched to KKG that the KBG chapter couldn't continue without them? More likely the school wanted an NPC chapter and the girls switched to KKG rather than not be in an active collegiate chapter at all. Of course, I see the best in people's motives not the worst.

33girl · #42 05-20-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

More likely the school wanted an NPC chapter and the girls switched to KKG rather than not be in an active collegiate chapter at all.

The way it reads to me is that the school wanted an NPC chapter but they didn't want to man up and actually kick KBG off campus. If the school was pressuring the girls to dump KBG for an NPC group, well, then, that's doubly shitty. They eliminate a longstanding sorority on their campus for pretty much no reason, plus make it look like it's all the actives' fault.

It's kind of a chicken/egg situation - did the girls want to go NPC because the school wanted them to, or did the school say OK (and shutter the KBG chapter) because the girls were wanting to go NPC?

AOII Angel · #43 05-20-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

The way it reads to me is that the school wanted an NPC chapter but they didn't want to man up and actually kick KBG off campus. If the school was pressuring the girls to dump KBG for an NPC group, well, then, that's doubly shitty. They eliminate a longstanding sorority on their campus for pretty much no reason, plus make it look like it's all the actives' fault.

It's kind of a chicken/egg situation - did the girls want to go NPC because the school wanted them to, or did the school say OK (and shutter the KBG chapter) because the girls were wanting to go NPC?

Exactly! I guess we'll never know the truth about the situation since no one seems very forthcoming.