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[srmom]

Good of you to take over the spelling queen bee chores!

Have a swell!

Just tryin' to help you out

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by srmom

Just tryin' to help you out

Thanks!

PhiGam, I still do not understand your way of thinking? You plan on only taking 3/5s ?

Then it seems that some who are recruiting are not doing their jobs in the selection process.

We had a Fraternity who would pledge 60-80 and maybe inititated only 6-8. It took a few years before they were off campus and gone. Also at one time the chapters were holding @ 60 members as actives and now, we run @ 35-50 only. @ 6 % of campus population.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Thanks!

PhiGam, I still do not understand your way of thinking? You plan on only taking 3/5s ?

Then it seems that some who are recruiting are not doing their jobs in the selection process.

We had a Fraternity who would pledge 60-80 and maybe inititated only 6-8. It took a few years before they were off campus and gone. Also at one time the chapters were holding @ 60 members as actives and now, we run @ 35-50 only. @ 6 % of campus population.

Its not necessarily a "plan," it just always happens that way. We select the guys that we feel can be good brothers by the end of their pledge semester and contributing to the house, if that doesn't happen then they're gone.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Its not necessarily a "plan," it just always happens that way. We select the guys that we feel can be good brothers by the end of their pledge semester and contributing to the house, if that doesn't happen then they're gone.

Okay, here is where I agree with you.

You cannot always pick the cream of the crop and if they do not want to abide by the rules, learn, pay their dues, or get involved along with GPA then there is a reason.

But when GPA comes up, I always find study time not a hazing priority as that is why most go to College and Graduate.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Thanks!

PhiGam, I still do not understand your way of thinking? You plan on only taking 3/5s ?

Then it seems that some who are recruiting are not doing their jobs in the selection process.

We had a Fraternity who would pledge 60-80 and maybe inititated only 6-8. It took a few years before they were off campus and gone. Also at one time the chapters were holding @ 60 members as actives and now, we run @ 35-50 only. @ 6 % of campus population.

Did I not just explain this?

[jon1856]

My school, by todays standard and practice, had rather unique rush program.
That said, from what I can recall, when we made our decisions on who to offer a bid to it was who we wanted. I can not recall anything close to lets give out 40 bids and include a few that we can cut later.
And if we did cut anyone, was for GPA, money, character, deeds or actions, or some hard issue that we missed during rush. And I say if because I just do not recall having to cut anyone. May have come close once.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Same here. We initiated 33/51 last semester.

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Those numbers are crazy to me. The most we've gotten rid of since I've been here was 3/31, so we initiated 28/31. One or two don't make it each semester- our bid meetings are hell.
33 is nothing to scoff at, but why lose 18 men during the pledge process? Just to find the best of the class and keep them? I'm not asking for specifics or anything, just curious.

Originally Posted by bellwisdom

I say forget about them and rush a better group next trimester.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

No, there are plenty of reasons to boot someone. We go into rush planning on booting at least 5 and trying to get others to quit.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I have to make an addendum to it.

We know that we will make some bad choices during rush. We know we will make at least 5 bad choices (because we're idiots, sometimes). We try to make good choices, but usually around 5 slip through the cracks...even if we signed them before school started.

[nittanyalum]

Plus, Tom, initiating 60% =/= only initiating 10%.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Plus, Tom, initiating 60% =/= only initiating 10%.

Yes and that sucks doesn't it? So nittanyalum how do your figures compute?

Kind of poor to say the least?

Mac, there is a lot of open space here!

So, is it 10-60 % or 3-5 %?

We can only hope for the upmost best and try to be more attentive to the PNM/Pledges.

You and your members are supposed to be the leaders, these kids do not know s--t but hope to learn.

So, then who is supposed to help them? Maybe you and your fellow members. They should have some idea before they are cut.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Yes and that sucks doesn't it? So nittanyalum how do your figures compute?

Kind of poor to say the least?

Mac, there is a lot of open space here!

So, is it 10-60 % or 3-5 %?

We can only hope for the upmost best and try to be more attentive to the PNM/Pledges.

You and your members are supposed to be the leaders, these kids do not know s--t but hope to learn.

So, then who is supposed to help them? Maybe you and your fellow members. They should have some idea before they are cut.

I'll help them if they deserve it.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Yes and that sucks doesn't it? So nittanyalum how do your figures compute?

Kind of poor to say the least?

Mac, there is a lot of open space here!

So, is it 10-60 % or 3-5 %?

I can usually at least catch a thread of what you're trying to say but I don't have a clue what the hell the above is supposed to mean.

How do my figures compute? Wha?

I was just pointing out that PhiGam saying they initiate 60% of their pledges is much different than the example that you gave of the chapter that only initiated 10%.

I'm not sure how that wasn't clear.

[APhi4Ever]

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