McCain shows his 'foreign expertise' in Jordan - Page 3

nittanyalum · #31 03-19-2008, 05:03 PM

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The only other ways to eliminate pork would be to elect honest politicians or become politically conscious as a nation, neither of those will ever happen though.

Lobby reform? Campaign finance reform? There are other places to look besides the executive branch to change how legislation is crafted, funded and passed in this country. And how much damage could be done before the line item could be taken back away? And how much pressure would be put on the members of the president's party in the Congress (by the party, by the president, by the special interests) to NOT to take it away? That would be a very hard bell to un-ring.

shinerbock · #32 03-19-2008, 06:34 PM

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Because the last 8 years have given us such shining examples of greater individual freedoms, a retraction in the size of the government, unmitigated success in targeting and really "defeating" terrorism (like that's possible... we still can't find bin laden for god's sake)?? And I have no comment on the SCOTUS because it's too split and they handed Bush his first term and I'm still not over it.

Do tell, what the hell does the next President have to do with Bush? Are you conceding the point that Obama will give us all of those things? If so, fine, and then we can get into whether my voting for GWB is hypocritical or not.

So I guess you'd be ok if the liberal half of SCOTUS had attempted to give the election to Gore? By the way, guess who represented Gore in his first trip to the Court? Lawrence Tribe.

DaemonSeid · #33 03-21-2008, 10:38 AM

Opinion
McCain: A History of Being Wrong About Al Qaeda, Iraq and Iran

Adam Blickstein Thu Mar 20, 2:58 PM ET

John McCain on several occasions recently has asserted that Iran and Al Qaeda are working together, including last month in Houston, Texas. The facts are much more complicated. McCain's assertions directly contradict General Petraeus who stated just yesterday that Al Qaeda weapons and suicide bombers actually come primarily through Syria.

McCain made the same mistake in 2002, before the Iraq War, when he claimed that Iraq would be part of a "weapons assembly line for al-Qaeda's network." In reality the 9/11 Commission and a recent Pentagon report found no operational relationship.

McCain, too often mistaken for a purported national security expert, conflates and confuses various regional players -- the same kind of dangerous oversimplification that pushed us into war five years ago.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/200...4_200803201358

I'm still wondering how people figure that this is the best possibly experienced nominee if there is and has been, in this writer's opinion, constant confusion about who is the enemy?

I will really cringe if he ever lets slip... "Well they all look alike..."

nittanyalum · #34 03-21-2008, 01:23 PM

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Do tell, what the hell does the next President have to do with Bush? Are you conceding the point that Obama will give us all of those things? If so, fine, and then we can get into whether my voting for GWB is hypocritical or not.

So I guess you'd be ok if the liberal half of SCOTUS had attempted to give the election to Gore? By the way, guess who represented Gore in his first trip to the Court? Lawrence Tribe.

Sorry, missed this retort.

My post was in response to your post in which you disagreed with my notion of D.C. being in desperate need of a shake-up. Your post implied that a shake-up (that by my intimation would need a party change) would result in a loss of autonomy, a growth in the size of government, an inability to defeat terrorism and a tribe-like supreme court, which I chose not to comment on. So my response was a suggestion back to you that keeping the GOP in place would not necessarily prevent those things from happening, just like electing the GOP 4 and 8 years ago didn't prevent those things from happening.

And my comment about the SCOTUS was just that I haven't gotten over that they gave Bush the presidency to begin with. I didn't try to pick a fight over them, that's just my personal feelings about it. And the SCOTUS wouldn't have had to "give" the presidency to Gore, the majority of American voters had already done that.

shinerbock · #35 03-21-2008, 01:43 PM

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Sorry, missed this retort.

My post was in response to your post in which you disagreed with my notion of D.C. being in desperate need of a shake-up. Your post implied that a shake-up (that by my intimation would need a party change) would result in a loss of autonomy, a growth in the size of government, an inability to defeat terrorism and a tribe-like supreme court, which I chose not to comment on. So my response was a suggestion back to you that keeping the GOP in place would not necessarily prevent those things from happening, just like electing the GOP 4 and 8 years ago didn't prevent those things from happening.

And my comment about the SCOTUS was just that I haven't gotten over that they gave Bush the presidency to begin with. I didn't try to pick a fight over them, that's just my personal feelings about it. And the SCOTUS wouldn't have had to "give" the presidency to Gore, the majority of American voters had already done that.

Your response had to do with Bush, who will not be running again in 2008.

Bush won in 2000. It is time to let it go. I'd much prefer the election to be decided by SCOTUS than the notably biased FL Supreme Court. There is even significant evidence that Bush would have won had the recount not been stopped.

DaemonSeid · #36 03-21-2008, 02:02 PM

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Your response had to do with Bush, who will not be running again in 2008.

Bush won in 2000. It is time to let it go. I'd much prefer the election to be decided by SCOTUS than the notably biased FL Supreme Court. There is even significant evidence that Bush would have won had the recount not been stopped.

He did?

Bush won like I used a cheat to beat Super Mario Brothers, won.

shinerbock · #37 03-21-2008, 02:12 PM

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He did?

Bush won like I used a cheat to beat Super Mario Brothers, won.

Coming from an unabashed liberal, I can't tell you how much legitimacy this holds for me.

DaemonSeid · #38 03-21-2008, 02:35 PM

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Coming from an unabashed liberal, I can't tell you how much legitimacy this holds for me.

I have this image of you pouting and stomping your feet when you say that too.....hehehehe.

shinerbock · #39 03-21-2008, 02:48 PM

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I have this image of you pouting and stomping your feet when you say that too.....hehehehe.

Be realistic. I'm a Republican. We don't pout. Leave the pouting and protesting to you guys. I'll be busy killing polluting and exploiting the poor out of anger.

DaemonSeid · #40 03-21-2008, 02:56 PM

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Be realistic. I'm a Republican. We don't pout. Leave the pouting and protesting to you guys. I'll be busy killing polluting and exploiting the poor out of anger.

you are going to hell.

Oh...wait...you are a Republican. That's a local trip for you...

shinerbock · #41 03-21-2008, 03:56 PM

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you are going to hell.

Oh...wait...you are a Republican. That's a local trip for you...

Save me a seat.

DaemonSeid · #42 03-21-2008, 04:27 PM

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Save me a seat.

Why?

I'm driving..dropping you and bringing back your friends!!

shinerbock · #43 03-21-2008, 04:57 PM

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Why?

I'm driving..dropping you and bringing back your friends!!

My bad, I thought you were workin' the door.

DaemonSeid · #44 03-21-2008, 05:02 PM

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My bad, I thought you were workin' the door.

nope....wrong dude....you got me mixed up with one of your rabble.

PeppyGPhiB · #45 03-21-2008, 05:32 PM

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My bad, I thought you were workin' the door.

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nope....wrong dude....you got me mixed up with one of your rabble.

"Satan is throwing the biggest Halloween costume party ever in an all-new 'South Park' entitled, 'Hell on Earth 2006.' Satan is busy checking the RSVP list and deciding what costume to wear to the big event. Every detail must be perfect for the prince of darkness. But even Satan can't foresee everything. A prominent religious organization, an ex-lover and the antics of the most notorious serial killers of all time threaten Satan's fun."

One of my favorite South Park episodes ever. For some reason the above back-and-forth reminded me of it. =)