Status of all-male chapters

[33girl]

Andrew,

I'm getting really confused.

Can you perhaps write out the purpose your chapter uses so we can compare it with the original purpose penned by FRH and the current purpose?

It just sounds like you're saying your chapter took the Purpose and added/subtracted bits to get something you liked. If that's not the case, I'm sorry for thinking so.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Just for the record:

Sigma Xi chapter was not the first chapter to secede from APO due to being forced to go co-ed.

Theta Xi chapter (Parks College of St. Louis University) was an all male chapter that had to merge with another chapter when Parks College closed down. The chapter they merged with was co-ed and would not allow the all-male group to stay all male, so the all-male group seceded from Alpha Phi Omega and formed a social fraternity which later got picked up as a chapter of Theta Xi Fraternity.

Interesting story.

[Senusret I]

Not to nitpick, but I don't think it's a true secession if the chapter closed due to the school closing.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Not to nitpick, but I don't think it's a true secession if the chapter closed due to the school closing.

Some may agree, some may disagree. Depends on your perspective.

The fact is, a group of brothers left APO because of an ideological dispute that could've otherwise been averted.

[Senusret I]

Ashley Robinson

posted 4/17/08 @ 12:06 AM EST

To say that the brothers of Alpha Delta "just couldn't handle treating women as their equals" is not only offensive, but a grave error in judgment. The brothers of Alpha Delta are, and have been, engaged in a highly cooperative and equal relationship with the sisters of the Delta Nu chapter of Gamma Sigma Sigma National Service Sorority since its inception in 1972, at which time the Sigma Xi chapter of Alpha Phi Omega helped to found the sorority whose members they would come to refer to as their sisters. There are two active Greek service organizations on the University of Maine campus, Alpha Delta and Gamma Sigma Sigma, which collectively provide every student on this campus the opportunity to participate. Furthermore, I consider the brothers of Alpha Delta to be my brothers; my members-in-training have big brothers and I have a little brother, we work together on meaningful service projects to aid the community and campus that we hold in common and we form close bonds of friendship. Never in my relationship with the brothers of Alpha Delta have I felt treated as anything less than an equal or given anything less than the respect, friendship, and appreciation for helping humankind that I share with my brothers. Regardless of one's personal qualms about the separation of the Sigma Xi chapter, it would be wise not to slanderously question the character and integrity of the outstanding young men who comprise that organization. -Ashley Robinson, Membership Vice President, Delta Nu chapter, Gamma Sigma Sigma Service Sorority


1) I found it interesting that this young lady considers the relationship equal -- that's an extremely cordial working relationship, but it's definitely not equality.

2) This is exactly why people need to stay in their own lane sometimes.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

1) I found it interesting that this young lady considers the relationship equal -- that's an extremely cordial working relationship, but it's definitely not equality.

Some may get offended at this post; oh well, that's life:

A woman doesn't need to have a penis in order to be equal to me as a man.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Some may get offended at this post; oh well, that's life:

A woman doesn't need to have a penis in order to be equal to me as a man.

Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.

Huge co-sign to that.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.

*edited because I thought the message would get lost in the metaphors*

(at bolded) You are absolutely correct and I have never treated women as less than an equal as an ALPHA PHI OMEGA brother. However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Failing to provide equal access to the fraternity on any college campus is disrespect of women.

The chapters' desire to remain all-male is now irrelevant.

It's over.

They lost.

Good day, sir.

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

*edited because I thought the message would get lost in the metaphors*

(at bolded) You are absolutely correct and I have never treated women as less than an equal as an ALPHA PHI OMEGA brother. However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Prior to learning more about Title IX and how it directly affects Alpha Phi Omega (we don't have the exemption that Social greeks do), I respected the decisions of those chapters choosing to stay all-male. I didn't agree with it, but I respected it.

Now that I know the law and its implications, I can't respect a group that blatantly ignores it, knowing the harm it could bring to the Fraternity if we were to be sued for violating it.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

*edited because I thought the message would get lost in the metaphors*

(at bolded) You are absolutely correct and I have never treated women as less than an equal as an ALPHA PHI OMEGA brother. However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Membership in Gamma Sigma Sigma or Omega Phi Alpha or [insert any other service sorority here] is not the same thing as membership in Alpha Phi Omega.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[Senusret I]

I said good day, sir.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I said good day, sir.

*looks at Senusret as though he instantly grew a third eye in the middle of his forehead*

*laughs and makes a dismissive wave*. Naraht, do you have any update on the Delta Chapter yet? I'm really curious as to what they're planning to do.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

*looks at Senusret as though he instantly grew a third eye in the middle of his forehead*

*laughs and makes a dismissive wave*. Naraht, do you have any update on the Delta Chapter yet? I'm really curious as to what they're planning to do.

No, I don't, and they are probably the single all-male chapter that I'm most curious about. In many ways Delta has been the "flagship" of the all-male chapters, (Yes, they have OPA on campus rather than GSS, but I don't think that matters much). I'm convinced that if the brothers at Delta had deliberately organized the all-male chapters after Nationals, they probably could have pulled off getting most to leave with them into a separate organization. The fact that Clemson went co-ed didn't surprise me much, Former APO National President McKenzie is loved by that chapter and my belief is that he could have convinced them.