Status of all-male chapters

[jeremypichi]

I'm going to break down this pretty much line by line since you obviously don't understand what its like to be in an all-male chapter.

Originally Posted by 33girl

This paragraph is really stupid. It should have said...

"Alpha Delta was formerly a chapter of Alpha Phi Omega National Service Fraternity. They left the national because they did not agree with the decision to compel all-male chapters to initiate female members."

"Compel all-male chapters to initiate female members" is nothing more than a nice way of saying "a promise given to all-male chapters 30 years ago was broken and now they have to go co-ed or have their charters revoked."

The paragraph in the article said exactly what it should have, that a chapter left because they didn't agree with the way the Fraternity is heading. If you couldn't tell this goes way past the whole forcing us to go co-ed thing.

It's not a "name change" - that makes it sound like they are still part of APO, they just don't want to call themselves that.

How is this not a name change and how does it make it sound like they're still a part of A Phi O? They are now Alpha Delta, not Sigma Xi chapter of Alpha Phi Omega which was stated quite clearly in the article. I'm going to assume that they are following a new set of bylaws and rituals.

new bylaws + new rituals + new letters = they are not a part of Alpha Phi Omega

It has nothing to do with being "adult-based" or adults running it.

Are you sure? It seems like those are a couple of the reasons they left. Also, you didn't disagree with their statement that Alpha Phi Omega is becoming adult-based, so maybe there is truth to it.

I've seen a lot of dumb explanations of chapter breakaways/closings, but this is in the top 5.

I still don't understand why you feel these explanations are dumb. Also, what are the other 4 reasons on that top 5 list?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by jeremypichi

I'm going to break down this pretty much line by line since you obviously don't understand what its like to be in an all-male chapter.

"Compel all-male chapters to initiate female members" is nothing more than a nice way of saying "a promise given to all-male chapters 30 years ago was broken and now they have to go co-ed or have their charters revoked."

The paragraph in the article said exactly what it should have, that a chapter left because they didn't agree with the way the Fraternity is heading. If you couldn't tell this goes way past the whole forcing us to go co-ed thing.

How is this not a name change and how does it make it sound like they're still a part of A Phi O? They are now Alpha Delta, not Sigma Xi chapter of Alpha Phi Omega which was stated quite clearly in the article. I'm going to assume that they are following a new set of bylaws and rituals.

new bylaws + new rituals + new letters = they are not a part of Alpha Phi Omega

Are you sure? It seems like those are a couple of the reasons they left. Also, you didn't disagree with their statement that Alpha Phi Omega is becoming adult-based, so maybe there is truth to it.

I still don't understand why you feel these explanations are dumb. Also, what are the other 4 reasons on that top 5 list?

Man, this must be my week for pissing off Duq people.

In answer to your last question, the other 4 didn't necessarily have to do w/ APO, so it's irrelevant to the discussion.

In my opinion, a "name change" sounds like something that is cosmetic only, not actually breaking away from the fraternity. It said not a thing about new rituals or new bylaws. As a matter of fact, it said "Alpha Delta has been part of the Bananas tradition since 1965." That's absolutely false. Alpha Delta as an entity didn't EXIST in 1965, so how could they have been part of the tradition?? That's what I'm talking about.

I'm not railing against all male chapters, I'm railing against a poorly written newspaper article that if a nongreek read it, they would get the wrong impression of what happened. Here's another example.

Oh and I don't agree with the "adult based" statement either, if as others have stated, the choice to make the all male chapters go coed or leave was voted on by the collegiate membership.

[emb021]

Originally Posted by jeremypichi

"Compel all-male chapters to initiate female members" is nothing more than a nice way of saying "a promise given to all-male chapters 30 years ago was broken and now they have to go co-ed or have their charters revoked."

The paragraph in the article said exactly what it should have, that a chapter left because they didn't agree with the way the Fraternity is heading. If you couldn't tell this goes way past the whole forcing us to go co-ed thing.

Oh? And where is the Fraternity heading? We were a co-ed National Service Fraternity with a few all-male chapters (which apparently were caused some problems for us in regards to working with some other national orgs). We are STILL a co-ed National Service Fraternity but with a few all-male chapters moving to being co-ed. We will soon and I hope continue to be a co-ed National Service Fraternity.

I have to agree with the original poster at not liking some of the statements said in this article. Ok, so the chapter didn't like being forced to go co-ed and decided to go local/independent. Sorry that happend. BUT, to claim that somehow APO is being 'adult run' OR that APO has gotten away from service OR they were being threatened by the National President is IMO insulting.

I personally didn't like how the co-ed thing was handled. And I think many felt the same way. I think the way elections turned out in 06 are due in large part to that. HOWEVER, the voting delegates at 06, made up predominately by ACTIVE BROTHERS, not alum, voted to approve the move to go entirely co-ed. So obviously the actives agreed with the goal, even if they didn't like the means. (Keep in mind that if every chapter sends their voting delegates to Nationals, that would give actives 720 or so voting delegates vs about 30-40 or so voting delegates who are alum. Kind of outnumber them, don't you think?)

Furthermore, I happen to know that the alumni volunteers (RD and SC) have been working for some time to HELP those all-male chapters go co-ed, AND I think it safe to say that their fellow co-ed chapters have ALSO stepped forward to help them. They have time to move to going co-ed!