Isaiah Washington fired from Grey's - Page 3

Senusret I · #31 06-28-2007, 11:04 PM

To be the "scary black guy" in a situation....

Seriously, if you don't know what this feels like..... shut up now.

deadbear80 · #32 06-29-2007, 01:33 AM

I hate to break it to Isaiah, but it's funny that he's playing the race card when there are still 2 Black characters on the show. Neither one of them seems to be in danger of being fired or seems to cause trouble on the set. So yeah, Isaiah, go on believing what you want...it's not working....

PS: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Shonda Rhimes (Grey's Anatomy's creator) Black? Because yeah, she's really going to make people believe she's a racist

PeppyGPhiB · #33 06-29-2007, 04:03 AM

What I think is funny about Gray's is all the black characters on the show. It's not that there's a lot of them, but there are a lot of them for Seattle. If this hospital were really in Seattle, there might be one black doctor (but maybe not), and a bunch of whites and asians (plus maybe an Indian).

Senusret I · #34 06-29-2007, 05:49 AM

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I hate to break it to Isaiah, but it's funny that he's playing the race card when there are still 2 Black characters on the show. Neither one of them seems to be in danger of being fired or seems to cause trouble on the set. So yeah, Isaiah, go on believing what you want...it's not working....

PS: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Shonda Rhimes (Grey's Anatomy's creator) Black? Because yeah, she's really going to make people believe she's a racist

Because all black people are the same.....

If you would read his comments, he's not talking JUST about being black. There is race, gender, and the perception of being a "threat" aside from using the word faggot.

I have been in situations JUST like Isaiah where I have been considered intimidating or threatening because of my race and gender and the fact that I actually have an opinion.

deadbear80 · #35 06-29-2007, 09:20 AM

I'm not saying Isaiah can't have opinions...and I definitely have had friends in similar situations who have been perceived as 'threats'. But that's not what went on. It's what he 'thinks' went on. He made a homophobic comment and made a big mistake when he did it. And it didn't sit well with his castmembers. And obviously his on-set behavior became less appealing. Because yeah, people don't forget stuff like that. But now he wants America to think that he was wronged or that it's not all his fault. And that's not okay. Nothing he has done since the incident will ever seem 'sincere' unless he stops acting like everyone's picking on him.

Eclipse · #36 06-29-2007, 09:26 AM

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I'm not saying Isaiah can't have opinions...and I definitely have had friends in similar situations who have been perceived as 'threats'. But that's not what went on. It's what he 'thinks' went on.

How do you know that Isaiah's opinions are "not what went on"?

Senusret I · #37 06-29-2007, 09:33 AM

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How do you know that Isaiah's opinions are "not what went on"?

Exactly.

Deja freakin vu.

ThetaDancer · #38 06-29-2007, 10:22 AM

He physically attacked one co-worker and verbally attacked another. That would be considered a "threat" and a liability regardless of race or gender.

I think I understand where you're coming from (I can't completely understand because I am a white female...) but I just wanted to point out that there were actual events that took place that made him a threat. It's not just the perception of a threat or the potential to be a threat...he actually created situations that were harmful.

Velocity_14 · #39 06-29-2007, 05:02 PM

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He physically attacked one co-worker and verbally attacked another. That would be considered a "threat" and a liability regardless of race or gender.

I think I understand where you're coming from (I can't completely understand because I am a white female...) but I just wanted to point out that there were actual events that took place that made him a threat. It's not just the perception of a threat or the potential to be a threat...he actually created situations that were harmful.

But my thing is if he did verbally attack one co-worker and later physically attack another...he really should have been gone after the physical attack. Who do you know that can go to work and attack someone and still have a job

? I don't know the circumstances of the altercation but something doesn't sit well with me if ANYONE can go to work and assault someone and still have a job but if they call someone "gay" they are gone. It really doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not excusing any of his actions because regardless of what your "opinion" is about life or people or whether you are a "racist," "moron," or whatever the bottomline is there is a level of professionalism that must be maintained at the workplace and between co-workers...its simply called being professional and acting like you got some darn sense...whether you are black or white...it doesn't matter. And, as always, there is more than one way to do and say anything but its up to the person to use the best judgement as to which way would be more efficient and appropriate.

I also don't believe anyone will think the show's creator is a racist because she is black and one of the black stars of the show was fired. Wrong is wrong and right is right but for some reason I don't think the decision was hers to make anyway.

ThetaDancer · #40 06-29-2007, 05:15 PM

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But my thing is if he did verbally attack one co-worker and later physically attack another...he really should have been gone after the physical attack. Who do you know that can go to work and attack someone and still have a job

? I don't know the circumstances of the altercation but something doesn't sit well with me if ANYONE can go to work and assault someone and still have a job but if they call someone "gay" they are gone. It really doesn't make sense to me.

I agree with you and I was surprised he wasn't fired earlier. That's one of the things I was trying to point out...the way he behaved is unacceptable. Period. It is inappropriate regardless of race or gender.

He didn't just "call someone gay." He actually outted a gay man and used derogatory words. Screaming insults and slurs at co-workers is inappropriate, whether you agree with their personal lifestyle or not. Like you said, it's just a matter of professionalism. People should expect the possibility of being fired for that behavior... again, regardless of their race or gender.

I was just pointing out that he did those things because a few other posters were suggesting that he was just perceived as a threat to others, when he had actually been acting in a way that was threatening to others.

PM_Mama00 · #41 06-29-2007, 05:53 PM

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I agree with you and I was surprised he wasn't fired earlier. That's one of the things I was trying to point out...the way he behaved is unacceptable. Period. It is inappropriate regardless of race or gender.

He didn't just "call someone gay." He actually outted a gay man and used derogatory words. Screaming insults and slurs at co-workers is inappropriate, whether you agree with their personal lifestyle or not. Like you said, it's just a matter of professionalism. People should expect the possibility of being fired for that behavior... again, regardless of their race or gender.

I was just pointing out that he did those things because a few other posters were suggesting that he was just perceived as a threat to others, when he had actually been acting in a way that was threatening to others.

That's exactly how I see it. Wasn't TR in the closet at that time? I think being outed by anyone but yourself would be worse than actually being called a faggot... although I wouldn't know because I'm straight but I feel like if I were a lesbian, I'd feel that way.

I'm curious how people would react if this was the other way around and TR called him "the word", or any white/Asian co-worker. I'm thinking people would flip out and Rev Al would be out there telling people to ban the show and maybe possibly the network. Where is all the defense for a homosexual? Double standard.

PiKA2001 · #42 06-29-2007, 06:26 PM

He should have been fired when he put himself in rehab.

Velocity_14 · #43 06-29-2007, 06:56 PM

Yeah but I'm not objecting to the notion that he may have been "perceived" as a threat. Being an African American female who is not only college-educated but also very opinionated, I have often times been "perceived" as a threat to others just because I say what I have to say and I keep it moving...regardless of who you are or if I do/don't agree with you. I am a media person myself and often times we are only told certain things--especially with celebs--that "they" (the media; network; etc.) want us to know or to "justify" an action...whether it is the truth or not.

I honestly feel like we are getting bits and pieces of what has been going on on the set. I have also read that he has been upset for a while because some of the main characters on the show have been showing up late to work, not knowing the lines and etc but are getting pay increases. I'm not saying that warrants someone going off or physically attacking you but I can imagine it becomes frustrating especially if these people are getting paid more than you and they are half-a$$ing on the job.

Again, I think we are getting bits and pieces of the story and some people may be running away with the info we do have like its the whole truth. His "opinions" may be what is really was going on---and he may be the only one with the balls to say so--- but we weren't there so the bottom line is we don't know.

I ask again who do you know that can physically attack someone on the job and still have a job but it takes you "outing" someones sexual preference before you are let go? Something "ain't" right...

Velocity_14 · #44 06-29-2007, 06:59 PM

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How do you know that Isaiah's opinions are "not what went on"?

That's what I'm saying....exactly! He may be the only one bold enough to say so....

AGDee · #45 07-03-2007, 11:00 PM

It was my understanding that he outed TR first, then assaulted Patrick Dempsey. The result was sending him to rehab. When he returned, there was no real change in the situation. TR Knight was going to leave the show and so was Katherine Heigl because he was still there and not acting any differently. Therefore, they didn't renew his contract. There is a difference between not renewing a contract at the end of a season and firing someone halfway through.

I find any male who assaults someone at work to be a threat, regardless of color. Sexist? Maybe. Or maybe I just know that a male is more likely to hurt me if he assaults me and that most females wouldn't do serious damage or, I could at least hold my own against most females.

A person can have any opinion they want as far as I'm concerned, but they don't get to assault others because of it.