Investigation into Hazing at Texas SAE

[breathesgelatin]

Daily Texan front page story today:

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.co...-3352775.shtml

Pretty awful stuff.

[Kevin]

Looking at those things they have been accused of (I don't know what they've actually admitted to, so a lot of this could be exaggerated), what jumps out at me is the fact that many of these activities are extremely unsafe.

A lot of this stuff, i.e., the "bows and toes," is really not unsafe, painful as hell, but not really unsafe, at least no more unsafe than flag football.

The forced drinking? That is unsafe. I often hear hazing proponents say that they "know where to draw the line," well, clearly, this is evidence that this is not always the case. At least here it wasn't. If what happened here happened as described, it's a real wonder no one was really seriously injured or died as a result of this hazing.

All that said, I don't expect these criminal complaints to amount to anything more than a few suspended sentences. I'll say what I said about the Alpha Phi Alphas at Oklahoma State -- these are likely good kids and society would be better served if they had a second chance and a clean slate.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Looking at those things they have been accused of (I don't know what they've actually admitted to, so a lot of this could be exaggerated), what jumps out at me is the fact that many of these activities are extremely unsafe.

A lot of this stuff, i.e., the "bows and toes," is really not unsafe, painful as hell, but not really unsafe, at least no more unsafe than flag football.

The forced drinking? That is unsafe. I often hear hazing proponents say that they "know where to draw the line," well, clearly, this is evidence that this is not always the case. At least here it wasn't. If what happened here happened as described, it's a real wonder no one was really seriously injured or died as a result of this hazing.

All that said, I don't expect these criminal complaints to amount to anything more than a few suspended sentences. I'll say what I said about the Alpha Phi Alphas at Oklahoma State -- these are likely good kids and society would be better served if they had a second chance and a clean slate.

Well, I do have to wonder about what is going to happen to their careers as Investment Bankers. That can be a rather ram-rod straight group there. One of my Brothers is a Managing Partner/Director of one and I have to wonder what he would say if someone told him just how they spent their weekend and why:
Two sentenced to 4 days in jail for hazing
Four UT fraternity members sentenced for 2006 treatment of pledges.
http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=207076

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/29/0429hazing.html

Could it have been worse? Yes. In many ways-including felony charges.
As I said, their career path may have just hit a speed bump if not worse.
Kevin-I hope you are correct.

[Kevin]

These convictions can really hurt them on law school/Bar Admissions processes.

But if they're going into the corporate world, this sort of behavior is par for the course

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by jon1856

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/29/0429hazing.html

Helllllooooo, Chase Bolding.

Too bad you shock people with cattle prods.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Helllllooooo, Chase Bolding.

Too bad you shock people with cattle prods.

[nittanyalum]

I'm glad they are at least being held somewhat accountable. In all, I think those guys are lucky they're getting off so light. I'm glad the 2 still in school will at least set foot in jail as an example to other current students and I'm glad the other two were yanked away from their professional lives to own up to their actions. Although considering their line of work, I'm not sure their professional environment will in any way look askance at this, it's probably much like a graduate fraternity environment in those places. I do, however, very much want to give both of them a haircut.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Helllllooooo, Chase Bolding.

Too bad you shock people with cattle prods.

Do you know him?

Great guy actually.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Do you know him?

Great guy actually.

Brother;
Could you have him give me a call.
Just so we could get together and prove to that poster that we are not
one in the same
Given their history here, they should have been able to figure that out all
by themselves

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Do you know him?

Great guy actually.

No, he's just pretty good-looking. From the picture.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Brother;
Could you have him give me a call.
Just so we could get together and prove to that poster that we are not
one in the same
Given their history here, they should have been able to figure that out all
by themselves

Wait?? Who are you talking about? Someone thinks you and I are the same poster?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Helllllooooo, Chase Bolding.

Too bad you shock people with cattle prods.

Originally Posted by jon1856

Originally Posted by macallan25

Do you know him?

Great guy actually.

Originally Posted by jon1856

Brother;
Could you have him give me a call.
Just so we could get together and prove to that poster that we are not
one in the same
Given their history here, they should have been able to figure that out all
by themselves

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

No, he's just pretty good-looking. From the picture.

Originally Posted by macallan25

Wait?? Who are you talking about? Someone thinks you and I are the same poster?

No, Breathesgelatin wrote a post that seemed to link me with Brother Chase.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by jon1856

No, Breathesgelatin wrote a post that seemed to link me with Brother Chase.

Do you know how to read?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Do you know how to read?

Yes I do.
And that is exactly how I read your post.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Yes I do.
And that is exactly how I read your post.

Well, I still question your ability to read because I don't see how I in any way linked you to the person in question. I honestly have no idea where you're getting that idea from.

Moving on.