The 13th Season of Survivor ~ Teams Divided by Race

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

lol, I only wrote as much as I did because everyone at works comments on my hair during the humid midwestern summers. They must think I "straighten" it normally or something because they're so surprised at the curlies... but my hair has a general state of waved/frizz soooo whatever.

/like I said, people have asked me about it lately

So you basically have your responses to hair questions memorized.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So you basically have your responses to hair questions memorized.

Yep, mostly

Although, the N. African thing is new. My grandma (going more than slightly senile at this point) only just mentioned this so I don't have much info. Something about how someone's family was looked down on in Italy, blah blah blah. My sister's the budding genealogy girl so I'll have to see if she found any details about that.

Oh, and I'm long winded and rambly.. especially when I'm avoiding writing a paper for class!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Although, the N. African thing is new. My grandma (going more than slightly senile at this point) only just mentioned this so I don't have much info. Something about how someone's family was looked down on in Italy, blah blah blah. My sister's the budding genealogy girl so I'll have to see if she found any details about that.

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr23.htm

I've been hearing about the Moors ^^^ since I was little. I was initially told that they were a group of "Black" Italians who migrated to (or was it from???) North Africa. I guess the truth is in there somewhere.

[Drolefille]

Hmm, can't get to the page...

It's kinda sad now. Many Italians are (and clearly have been for years) prejudiced against the African immigrants. Their view is much like that of Americans toward Mexican immigrants. They feel (true or not I don't know) that the immigrants are taking all the jobs, and keeping wages unnaturally low. There are many illegals as well. And I could have bought Louis "Faux"ton purses for about 6 bucks from almost any of them in Rome.

Note the rambling? Anywho, I don't know much about the history, and my mom's dad's side of the family is rather estranged I believe (he died before I was born so I don't know) Actually my great grandfather on my mom's mom's side came to the US because he was a) the youngest and b) the only one left to be a priest. At which point he ran to the mines in Africa to work, then came to work on the Panama canal. Got sick, got brought into the country and then went to Italy to marry a good Italian woman.

And again rambly...

(I don't watch Survivor, but I'll probably follow it obliquely through the news. WHO DO I ROOT FOR THOUGH? )

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Hmm, can't get to the page...

It's kinda sad now. Many Italians are (and clearly have been for years) prejudiced against the African immigrants. Their view is much like that of Americans toward Mexican immigrants. They feel (true or not I don't know) that the immigrants are taking all the jobs, and keeping wages unnaturally low. There are many illegals as well. And I could have bought Louis "Faux"ton purses for about 6 bucks from almost any of them in Rome.

Note the rambling? Anywho, I don't know much about the history, and my mom's dad's side of the family is rather estranged I believe (he died before I was born so I don't know) Actually my great grandfather on my mom's mom's side came to the US because he was a) the youngest and b) the only one left to be a priest. At which point he ran to the mines in Africa to work, then came to work on the Panama canal. Got sick, got brought into the country and then went to Italy to marry a good Italian woman.

And again rambly...

(I don't watch Survivor, but I'll probably follow it obliquely through the news. WHO DO I ROOT FOR THOUGH? )

I can view the page. Try to read it when you get some time. It's just an example of all the information out there.

[Drolefille]

Read the page...I love how cro-magnun man was white... as was an Egyptian Queen. Whether she was more African or Arab I dunno, but Norwegian she ain't.

Ah well.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr23.htm

I've been hearing about the Moors ^^^ since I was little. I was initially told that they were a group of "Black" Italians who migrated to (or was it from???) North Africa. I guess the truth is in there somewhere.

That's what I was told, too. Interesting article.


Oh, and I will not be watching Survivor. - LOL

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Your criteria sucks.

I don't really know what you mean by your comments. Can you be a little more specific? Are you trying to say that most black people can pull off the "wash and wear hair"? Unless you have a pretty good perm, it is pretty hard to keep your hair straight when it gets wet.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

I don't really know what you mean by your comments. Can you be a little more specific? Are you trying to say that most black people can pull off the "wash and wear hair"? Unless you have a pretty good perm, it is pretty hard to keep your hair straight when it gets wet.

"Your criteria sucks" is pretty straightforward.

But if you really NEED an explanation, Black people come of many skin complexions, body shapes, hair textures, eye colors, and so forth. Sure, we can speak to the fact that people of more European ancestry have finer textured hair in most instances and people of African ancestry have thicker or more coarse hair. But it would be a fallacy to extend those facts and say that if your hair is finely textured you're automatically of European ancestry and if your hair is thick and coarse you are of African ancestry.

Hope that cleared things up for you.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

"Your criteria sucks" is pretty straightforward.

But if you really NEED an explanation, Black people come of many skin complexions, body shapes, hair textures, eye colors, and so forth. Sure, we can speak to the fact that people of more European ancestry have finer textured hair in most instances and people of African ancestry have thicker or more coarse hair. But it would be a fallacy to extend those facts and say that if your hair is finely textured you're automatically of European ancestry and if your hair is thick and coarse you are of African ancestry.

Hope that cleared things up for you.

Sure there are exceptions, just with everything else. Some might even consider my texture to be unusual, which is neither fine nor coarse. (both white and black stylists usually screw up my hair )I was semi-joking when I made up that "criteria", but obviously there's a lot of truth in it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

I was semi-joking when I made up that "criteria"

Great.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

I don't really know what you mean by your comments. Can you be a little more specific? Are you trying to say that most black people can pull off the "wash and wear hair"? Unless you have a pretty good perm, it is pretty hard to keep your hair straight when it gets wet.

I don't have a perm and I can "wash and wear" my hair. So I'm still not getting your reference.

[RedefinedDiva]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

DETROIT - General Motors Corp. has decided to end its sponsorship of CBS' hit series "Survivor," but the world's largest automaker said Wednesday that the decision had nothing to do with the reality show's controversial decision to divide its contestants in the upcoming season by race and ethnicity. (Yeah, right)

http://www.yahoo.com/s/380145

They'll regret it once they see the ratings go through the roof!

I'll be watching the show because I think that it will be interesting. I need to admit that even though the idea of the show seems wacky, I'm a little interested to see how it turns out. I already have a preconceived thought of how it's going to go down. I'll just have to wait and see if it materializes.

Originally Posted by Dionysus

Does your hair get curly, or better, "course" when it's wet? If you answered "yes", you are a negro (enough).

Well, your comment kinda left it wide open for interpretation. I'm sure you can see that. I just washed my hair about 10 minutes ago and decided to look at it when it was wet b/c I read this thread prior to getting in the shower. I have a relaxer and my hair stayed pretty much straight when wet, aside from a few loose curls towards the end of my hair. So, based on your comment one could say that I'm not a "negro" b/c my hair doesn't get curly or coarse. If you (Dionysus) are Black or African-American then I am sure you know how we all have different types of hair texture, but that in no way defines how much or less black we are than the next. Hair texture in our community is a big issue. Bigger than it should be.

[CrimsonTide4]

Who's watching tomorrow night?