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11-24-2005, 05:01 AM
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Hehehehe Opinion Journal bringing in accuracy,,, well only if you think quoting Micheal Moore is bring back the accuracy as well....
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You, the poster boy for lies and inaccuracy, are making claims against the Wall Street Journal and it's Opinion Journal?
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11-24-2005, 05:03 AM
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DeltAlum,
Let's say an American soldier fights in two wars. In the first war, he was a decorated hero. In the second war, he commited treason.
Does his activity in the first war shield him from any criticism of his actions in the second war?
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11-24-2005, 09:29 PM
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No, but what does that have to do with this case?
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11-24-2005, 10:31 PM
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No, but what does that have to do with this case?
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Having been a marine does not shield you from criticism in the future.
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11-24-2005, 11:35 PM
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Having been a marine does not shield you from criticism in the future.
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I don't know if Max Cleland was Marine or Army, and he lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam. Even that didn't allow him to be shielded from criticism before his re-election try - especially when he voted like Kennedy in Washington, and talked like John Wayne in GA.
I've also learned that Murtha had two terms of active duty, totaling about 6 years. All the rest of of his 36+ service was in the reserves. Some of his friends have criticized Bush for being in the reserves/natl. guard - not on active duty.
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11-24-2005, 11:44 PM
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I've also learned that Murtha had two terms of active duty, totaling about 6 years. All the rest of of his 36+ service was in the reserves. Some of his friends have criticized Bush for being in the reserves/natl. guard - not on active duty.
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So, the way I figure, that means that Murtha spent six years on active duty -- including at least part of that in combat in Vietnam when he was or himself reactivated and where he was injured -- to zero years on active duty for President Bush.
And thirty or so in the Reserves to probably six and a half -- assuming he served his full term -- for the President.
What were you trying to prove?
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11-24-2005, 11:45 PM
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Oct 11th article:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007390
"...we have seen no convincing evidence to back up the assumption, commonly accepted in the media, that the Swift Boat Veterans unfairly maligned him."
Sorry but this assertion is too laughable to even bother with rehashing the whole Swift Boat lies again...
or more recently -
Nov 21st article:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007581
"Late Friday night the House took a vote on Rep. John Murtha's proposal for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. The vote was 403-3 against, with Murtha among the 403. The only congressmen favoring Murtha's idea were three far-left Democrats: Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, Jose Serrano of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida. Six Dems voted "present": Michael Capuano (Mass.), William Clay (Mo.), Maurice Hinchey (N.Y.), Jim McDermott (Wash.), Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.) and Major Owens (N.Y.).
Some Republicans have labeled Murtha a "coward," which strikes us as unduly personal. But he does seem to lack the courage of his convictions."
Umm... I thought the House voted on House Joint Resolution 571 - not Murtha's House Joint Resolution 73.
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Pt. 1 - you believe it, OJ doesn't. That's opinion, not error.
Pt. 2 - there was little if any difference. Murtha proposed "immediate redeployment", and the GOP leadership proposed "Immediate withdrawal."
Still waiting for for a factual error in OJ. Also still waiting for any instance of FOX News distorting news. Talk show talked Neal Boortz has offered $10,000 for an example - with no takers.
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11-25-2005, 12:30 AM
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Having been a marine does not shield you from criticism in the future.
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Obviously. Especially when the criticism comes from someone as uninformed as the Congresswoman in question here.
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11-25-2005, 02:43 AM
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Obviously. Especially when the criticism comes from someone as uninformed as the Congresswoman in question here.
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I'm just saying that you can be a hero and all in one war and a coward/traitor/whatever later on. That's all.
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11-25-2005, 06:43 PM
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I'm just saying that you can be a hero and all in one war and a coward/traitor/whatever later on. That's all.
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So, Why Besmirch a Person Who Did His Deed and Lived!
So Now Besmirch a Member of The Armed Forces of any Country and See How Far That Gets anyone?
When a Person is Called To The Fire By Members of His Own, then, that does make One Think!
There is a Big Difference Between Max Cleland and John Kerry!
Of Course Max Is a LXA!
Oh, that can Be Revearsed cannot it not?
What is Your Breaking Point?
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11-26-2005, 02:16 PM
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I'm going to (oh dear) agree with hoosier and Rudey. This whole "well I served so I can't be criticized" thing is ridiculous. It's like saying all children are innocent and never do anything wrong.
Like I said in an earlier post, Murtha is not this paragon of courage he's being portrayed as. He's supposed to represent his district in congress, not spout off whatever pops into his head - and in his district, it's 2-1 AGAINST what he said. If he ends up losing his seat over this I am going to laugh hard. But like I said....doubtful it will happen because everyone knows when you get a Congressman w/ that kind of seniority you don't give it up - you just hold your nose & vote him back in.
And I think the reason hoosier pointed out that the majority of Murtha's service was in the reserves is because the thread title calling him a "37 year Marine veteran" is somewhat misleading. Oh, the irony.
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11-26-2005, 09:20 PM
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And I think the reason hoosier pointed out that the majority of Murtha's service was in the reserves is because the thread title calling him a "37 year Marine veteran" is somewhat misleading. Oh, the irony.
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That's very common when reserve service is tacked on to active duty.
It really doesn't matter much, though. The Congresswoman is still trying to get both feet out of her mouth. You might note that she amost immediately asked that her comments be stricken from the Congressional Record and apologized.
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11-27-2005, 12:16 AM
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Yes, maybe she said something stupid. It doesn't change the fact that Murtha's an asshat.
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11-27-2005, 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by 33girl
Yes, maybe she said something stupid. It doesn't change the fact that Murtha's an asshat.
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I'm sorry a what?
In all seriousness though I can understand why Murtha said what he did - he has always been one who's concern for the troops has been out in the open. After all wasn't he the guy that complained about the lack of proper battle-vests?; the lack of up-armoured HMVEE's?; the troops being treated in Germany having to pay for the hospital food?
Basically he cares more for the troops than he does the bigger picture - that's something I can't fault the guy for even if I completely disagree with his call for withdrawal. The only ones making hay of it were the some of the more hawkish or right-wing commentators and politicos... until of course the embarassing coward remarks. If the remarks had come from someone that had also served, or if the remarks hadn't involved such a base personal attack, then things might have blown over... but the fact of the matter was that he was called a coward (besides the whole implication that he wasn't a Marine anymore) on the floor.
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11-28-2005, 03:49 PM
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I've also learned that Murtha had two terms of active duty, totaling about 6 years. All the rest of of his 36+ service was in the reserves. Some of his friends have criticized Bush for being in the reserves/natl. guard - not on active duty.
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6 years active duty.
No years active duty.
Did you intend to make this post look like you have no idea what you just said or what you were trying to prove?
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