The Rules For When Threads Are Deleted

[OtterXO]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I didn't read any of the threads that were recently deleted, but I have a question for those who are complaining that the standards mods use for thread deletion are not uniform. Could you please point out some threads and/or posts that you feel should have been deleted but weren't, and could you provide copies of the reports you made to the mods asking for action to be taken on such threads and/or posts?

It seems really common that when something is deleted, the deletees start pointing fingers and saying the mods play favorites or don't apply uniform standards. I would like to see evidence to back up this claim.

I totally agree that it is common to point fingers. I think the point that I was making is that I personally didn't find the threads in question offensive. I also didn't find other threads offensive that seem to be in the same category of "offensiveness"...if that makes sense.
But since you asked, one (and I'm stressing that this is only ONE, not all) example that I can think of that happened recently are the responses to many new people in the rush forum. It seems to me that using profanities when people are asking questions about rush could be perceived as offensive to some. Personally I didn't report the members who seemed to be constantly making these types of posts, I just stated my opinion and stopped reading them.

ETA: the problem, in my mind, is that it seems from an outside perspective that random people can just report things because it annoys them and a thread (evidently) will get deleted if the poster isn't on friendly terms with the mod in that forum. I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, just telling you how I see it.

[kddani]

Originally posted by OtterXO
But since you asked, one (and I'm stressing that this is only ONE, not all) example that I can think of that happened recently are the responses to many new people in the rush forum. It seems to me that using profanities when people are asking questions about rush could be perceived as offensive to some. Personally I didn't report the members who seemed to be constantly making these types of posts, I just stated my opinion and stopped reading them.

Candy and Barb (Carnation and PenguinTrx) mod the rush forum with a pretty iron fist. Personally, I think it's the best modded forum on GC. They don't tolerate much, and i've seen them delete profanity quickly. If there's something that still up that bothers you, then report it.

But then I would guess that some mods probably don't take some people's reports as seriously. Like if a person reports a post, but then they're pretty well known for posting inappropriate stuff themselves, you kind of have to take it with a grain of salt.

I have to say, glad I only have the KD and Events forum.

[valkyrie]

Right -- but why are you asking the "mods to play fair and delete or don't delete people using the same standards across the board" if they haven't been unfair or applying non-uniform standards?

[Lindz928]

And welcome everyone to yet another GC arguement that will only go around and around in circles because there IS no way to please everyone.

[OtterXO]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Right -- but why are you asking the "mods to play fair and delete or don't delete people using the same standards across the board" if they haven't been unfair or applying non-uniform standards?

I think I was saying that they HAVE been applying non-uniform standards in my mind and I was asking DeltAlum (the mod) to please apply uniform standards and delete other people who are posting things that MAY be offensive to certain people. I did say that I don't find anything offensive about most things, it's pretty hard to offend me.

[OtterXO]

Originally posted by Lindz928
And welcome everyone to yet another GC arguement that will only go around and around in circles because there IS no way to please everyone.

Agreed. I hope I made some semblance of a point. I think I'm done on this subject. Feel free to delete the thread...LOL

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by OtterXO
Agreed. I hope I made some semblance of a point. I think I'm done on this subject. Feel free to delete the thread...LOL

Just get Cash to come in and say something.... It will be deleted in no time.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by OtterXO
I think I was saying that they HAVE been applying non-uniform standards in my mind and I was asking DeltAlum (the mod) to please apply uniform standards and delete other people who are posting things that MAY be offensive to certain people. I did say that I don't find anything offensive about most things, it's pretty hard to offend me.

Here's what I'm getting at:

1. You're saying that the mods have been applying non-uniform standards in your mind.

2. I'm asking for evidence to support your assertion, in the form of posts and requests you made to have action taken on those posts. Without showing that you reported posts and the mods did nothing, I don't see how you're supporting your assertion that the mods have been applying non-uniform standards. You can't compare posts that have been reported with posts that haven't been reported.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by cashmoney

My point here is, if it violates rules...fine, it should be edited/deleted. Said post/thread went against TOS. We can't argue with that. But Puhhhhlease spread the wealth a little. Mikes Jones was like my random thread, well actually mine , otter's and lindz's, and I think pretty much all of GC knew that. And because of that I believe that envy crept in and we had yet another witch hunt on GC. The mods, in order to avoid being annoyed with reported memos, just said f--k it and deleted it since it violated TOS.

Take a look at a post. The second place to click from the left says "PM". If these threads are random threads for basically three people, then PM each other!! I'm sure you'll have the same love fest that "Mike Jones" gathered, but without the grief that it seemed to cause.

I will admit, I didn't read the thread, just the posts about it. I rarely read the Random Thread, either - but I decided against reading things that have a potential of driving me crazy!

[OtterXO]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Here's what I'm getting at:

1. You're saying that the mods have been applying non-uniform standards in your mind.

2. I'm asking for evidence to support your assertion, in the form of posts and requests you made to have action taken on those posts. Without showing that you reported posts and the mods did nothing, I don't see how you're supporting your assertion that the mods have been applying non-uniform standards. You can't compare posts that have been reported with posts that haven't been reported.

I see your point. I wasn't being clear. I was responding to DA saying that the posts/threads were "offensive" according to the mods. I meant that this "offensiveness" standard needs to be applied across the board. The reporting thing wasn't really the issue.

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by honeychile
Take a look at a post. The second place to click from the left says "PM". If these threads are random threads for basically three people, then PM each other!! I'm sure you'll have the same love fest that "Mike Jones" gathered, but without the grief that it seemed to cause.

I will admit, I didn't read the thread, just the posts about it. I rarely read the Random Thread, either - but I decided against reading things that have a potential of driving me crazy!

But this is exactly the point.... If there is a thread that might bother someone, then that person should just not read it. I don't understand why we should have to resort to PMing each other when we have every right to have a thread about it. That thread was never "restricted" to just three people.... It just so happened that few other people chose to post. I don't mind that at all.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by OtterXO
I see your point. I wasn't being clear. I was responding to DA saying that the posts/threads were "offensive" according to the mods. I meant that this "offensiveness" standard needs to be applied across the board. The reporting thing wasn't really the issue.

I see what you're saying -- in reality, I don't think the mods would normally take action on a post, even if it is offensive, if nobody reports it. I don't think they can be expected to read every post of every thread, which is why I think the reporting thing is an issue. If I recall correctly, the recent deleted posts were reported by multiple people, which makes it more likely that a mod would see the posts in question.

[OtterXO]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I see what you're saying -- in reality, I don't think the mods would normally take action on a post, even if it is offensive, if nobody reports it. I don't think they can be expected to read every post of every thread, which is why I think the reporting thing is an issue. If I recall correctly, the recent deleted posts were reported by multiple people, which makes it more likely that a mod would see the posts in question.

I'm glad you understand. Sometimes typing things doesn't convey points very accurately. I agree with the reporting causing deletion though. The thing that has been kind of frustrating is that people on here don't like certain people and usually there are good reasons for that. But that shouldn't be a reason for reporting a thread or post. Essentially, just because cashmoney is part of a thread doesn't mean it is offensive. (minus the one sexual subject in thread #2 that I agree could be offensive to some) If it had been just me and Lindz the whole time I don't think any of this would have happened.
This is why the "apply the standards across the board" statement was made.

Well, I think we've successfully beat this dead horse...LOL

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by OtterXO
I see your point. I wasn't being clear. I was responding to DA saying that the posts/threads were "offensive" according to the mods. I meant that this "offensiveness" standard needs to be applied across the board. The reporting thing wasn't really the issue.

This is difficult to do when you have a different person moderating each forum. Each person will have a different standard of what is okay and what isn't. You can't regulate that very well.

Although I think it's fairly standard that if a mod receives more than a couple "report this post"s on any given thread, it'll be deleted.

I guess I'm not sure what the big deal is, since, as there are only three of you chatting, it would be just as easy and probably more productive to get on AIM. While the thread didn't really annoy me (it was easy enough for me not to read it), by starting it up again after it was deleted multiple times, it makes it pretty clear that at least one of you was doing it purposely to annoy other posters. If it would be just as easy for y'all to have this conversation on AIM, ask yourself why it's such a big deal that you NEED to have it on GC. If there's a better reason than "We like to annoy the rest of the posters," I'd love to hear it. And if there's not, then . . . uh, why are you arguing?

[Lindz928]

I don't think any of them were started for the purpose of annoying other posters. They were started over and over again out of the frustration that they kept being deleted.

And I don't know about cash or otter, but I don't have AIM at work. The nice thing about GC is that you can come and go when you have time. I can't sit on AIM at work. But I can post on GC when I have time.

I think there is really no comparison for GC and AIM. Completely different. Besides, why not take everyone in the random thread and say, "Just have this conversation on AIM." It's not reasonable. And there is no reason why we should have to do that.