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08-21-2005, 03:53 PM
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Honey My Dear, watch some Old Movies= Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds! 
A lot depends on the Executive Director and The People who are put into Place for Polocies of What, When, and Why for expansion and Keeping Chapters.
Granted, Most of Us do not know about the workings of each individual National GLOs Programs, but there are a very few of us on GC who do Keep in Contact with other National Hqs.
I will not or ever can speak of thier Polocies of thier GLOs and is not My Place or any others.
While I work with Mine in a small way, I do keep in touch with some others.
I hate to say it, but You were out of line in Your Comments. 
We all Live and Learn from each Other. 
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08-21-2005, 05:25 PM
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Re: Wha?
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Originally posted by SurfinDBeach
While I agree that we expand to just about everywhere, I have to disagree with the first part...
The problem with some TKE chapters is that they don't utilize the tools and resources that they are provided... There are alumni boards, province advisors, Grand Province Advisors, Province Educational Conferences, Regional Conferences, Rush Coaches, guest speakers - you name it - list goes on... But some smaller chapters don't use these things to their full extent...
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Excuse my ignorance then. I only get to see the end product when it comes to TKE chapters, not the process
I have some reservations about the "wide net" that they cast, and that in some instances, the organization appears to be spread a bit too thin (low degree of control over chapters).
On the other hands, I admire that they are willing to spread the net in the first place, I find value in that the organization is very aggressive and accepting when it comes to founding new chapters.
These two things may explain why TKE is the biggest in terms of chapters, but near the bottom in terms of average chapter size.
I honsetly wish that my organization would learn a lesson in terms of aggressive expansionism from the likes of TKE and PKA. While we have improved a lot in recent years, we're nowhere close to any of the organizations I've listed. I haven't been keeping track, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're closing more chapters than we're opening.
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08-21-2005, 07:43 PM
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Mistakes...
It kind of evens out... The average is smaller, because the sheer number includes smaller chapters at smaller schools...
Don't be fooled though - biggest chapter in our region is USC which has close to 140+ guys with a $14,000 T-shirt budget alone...
University of Washington has close to 180+ guys...
It's schools where we have chapters like at Cal State San Marcos, where there are only 2 Fraternities on campus, that hurt the average...
And the small schools...
But yeah, I say it evens out because we do have that big number of chapters - which includes small schools that bring the average down...
But I can tell you first hand that the support is there... My chapter, which is alright - talks to someone from the Grand Chapter on a weekly, if not tri-weekly basis (for you geniuses out there, that's three times a week)...
My chapter pres. talks to them at least 4 times a week...
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08-22-2005, 01:05 AM
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Re: Mistakes...
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But I can tell you first hand that the support is there... My chapter, which is alright - talks to someone from the Grand Chapter on a weekly, if not tri-weekly basis (for you geniuses out there, that's three times a week)...
My chapter pres. talks to them at least 4 times a week...
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Impressive.
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08-22-2005, 01:13 AM
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Seriously, how many people on GreekChat have really had to deal with more than one National/International Greek Organization.
I find this entire thread EXTREMELY insulting.
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A whole lot of us.
But, for some people, respecting an organization on a national level could just mean people have read their websites and have a deep respect for the philanthropy and program thrusts. No criteria was set for how people determine which orgs they respect.
Don't be insulted, unless no one mentioned your organization. Just kidding. 
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08-22-2005, 01:22 AM
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No, I hate ignorance. People are listing locals, which may be wonderful in their one chapter, but don't really have the experience to be "respected on a national level".
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LOL.
By sheer definition, it is silly to list locals. I actually laughed out loud when you pointed that out (and your comment about ignorance) because I agree with you. I was thinking to myself "I haven't even HEARD of some of these organizations."
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08-22-2005, 09:58 AM
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Where are there locals listed in this thread??  Every group I've seen is national.
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08-22-2005, 11:56 AM
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I do agree that recruitment season may not be the best time for this thread as obviously not every org is represtented. I would just hate to think that some little PNM might read and think, "Wow no one mentioned ABC, does that mean they aren't a good org to be in?" I know it sounds out there- but I just think that would suck.
And naturally, we have not all had experience with all the other orgs. I know almost nothing about Tri-sig for example, because it was not on our campus or any other that I was close to. So, I would not be able to include them in a list of orgs I have respect for simply because I don't know. But I am sure that they have many wonderful aspects worthy of respect. I think this might be something that Honeychile is talking about. (Honey, if it's not I'm sorry I don't want to speak for you.)
Complete honesty- the org I have the most respect for is my own- mainly because it is the one that I know most about and am closest to. But there are also others that I have respect for because I have delt with some of them, though I know nothing about their national workings. There are also some orgs that I am sure are AMAZING nationally but I have lost some respect for simply because of the members on my campus that I had to deal with. It is completely subjective and while I personally am not offended, I can understand how someone might be.
I much prefered the "List something nice about all the NPS orgs" thread.
P.S. I like Pi Delta Pi.
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08-22-2005, 03:54 PM
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A question in my mind is how many responders actually know very much about organizations beyond what they see on their own campus.
Some do, of course. Many don't.
Then again, I've long thought that this kind of question generally causes dis-harmony.
I think I've created a new word.
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08-22-2005, 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by DeltAlum
A question in my mind is how many responders actually know very much about organizations beyond what they see on their own campus.
Some do, of course. Many don't.
Then again, I've long thought that this kind of question generally causes dis-harmony.
I think I've created a new word.
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I totally ditto this.
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08-22-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by DeltAlum
A question in my mind is how many responders actually know very much about organizations beyond what they see on their own campus.
Some do, of course. Many don't.
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People who don't have not answered the topic then. Respecting an organization on a national level means...respecting it...on...a...national...level.
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08-22-2005, 04:53 PM
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"Are they good, or are they great?"
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Originally posted by Lindz928
P.S. I like Pi Delta Pi.
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Hahaha! I much prefer Delta Nu!
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08-22-2005, 04:53 PM
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People who don't have not answered the topic then. Respecting an organization on a national level means...respecting it...on...a...national...level.
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But what is the critera the respect is based on? Their academic program? their stance on hazing? how cute their members tend to be? their alumni/ae networking? their boyfriend?
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08-22-2005, 04:54 PM
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Respecting an organization on a national level means...respecting it...on...a...national...level.
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Thank you very much. My point exactly.
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08-22-2005, 05:09 PM
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Since I started this thread I thought I'd weigh in on what I was hoping would be the purpose of the thread.
Simply put, the thread was created to generate a friendly discussion between members of GLO's as to personal opinions on national GLO's they respect. Ideally, I was hoping that individuals would state why they felt a GLO was doing an exceptional job nationally. I.E. - ATO's creative use of it's website for chapter communication or Phi Psi's endowment fund
The thread is only subjective and should not be taken as anything more. We all know that every GLO has something special to offer. However, lets not forget that we all are entitled to our personal opinions.
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