i hate COPS...

[Dionysus]

Damn you peeps are swift.

[aphigirly]

Originally posted by Rudey
You might not be a geologist, but you work in geology if you ask me.

no, you work in HR for a government geology agency

[Rudey]

Originally posted by aphigirly
no, you work in HR for a government geology agency

Were you taught English?

There is nothing wrong about saying you work in geology.

There are a lot of people that serve in different roles that work in any field. In marketing, there are the number crunchers, there are the sales folks, and there are the creative people.

Not everyone lists every single detail of their job when they say what they do.

Of course her being a secretary doesn't make her an expert on criminal law. That is not an issue of language anymore. And if you want to nitpick, who in here is a criminal lawyer and an expert?

-Rudey

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

Originally posted by Lil' Hannah
I'm sorry but I couldn't ignore this one...

gov't law enforcement agency. If you'd like to know which one, PM me.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

and not in HR. My title is "secretary," so Rudey's right, I'm not an expert -- but, I do work with cops/agents/law enforcement specialists all the live long day. Between making pots of coffee I have picked up a few things.

And crossing my legs, perched on peoples' desks.

And sleeping with everyone when they're "working late".

[aphigirly]

Originally posted by Rudey
Were you taught English?

There is nothing wrong about saying you work in geology.

There are a lot of people that serve in different roles that work in any field. In marketing, there are the number crunchers, there are the sales folks, and there are the creative people.

Not everyone lists every single detail of their job when they say what they do.

Of course her being a secretary doesn't make her an expert on criminal law. That is not an issue of language anymore. And if you want to nitpick, who in here is a criminal lawyer and an expert?

-Rudey

i was taught english and here is an example

i work for an HR consulting and outsourcing firm. my firm does many things including the following
-Human resouce consulting
-workforce management
-payroll administration
-benefits administration

i specifically work in defined contribution plan administration and implementation. i would not say that i work in workforce management consulting even though the people in the offices one floor above me do. i do not know anything about it.

similarily, i used to work for General Electric. General Electric is a huge company that works in many different fields including regular household appliances, light bulbs, aircraft engines, medical technology, and network television (nbc). I specifically work in their industrial systems division in which they built basically large scale circuit brakers for for factories and nuclear power plants. but to be honest, i would say that i worked in factory planning and management, because thats what i did. to say anything else would be wrong.

i'm not trying to nitpick, nor am i saying that i am a criminal justice expert (where the heck did that come from anyway), but there is a HUGE difference between being a secretary and being a cop, DA, public defender, legal aid, paralegal, ect. I believe that is the point that Lil'Hannah and myself are making.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

My point is, there is a big difference, but I didn't say I was a cop -- I said I work in the field, which is certainly true. If you've ever worked in a police station, law enforcement field office, etc., you know the support positions aren't exactly just typing and coffee making. There's a reason I have a security clearance, and it's not because of my killer pencil sharpening skills.

I contribute to the cases, investigative reports, and I've had some of the same training the agents have -- they're sweethearts & know I'd like to stay in the field when I graduate (and am eligible,) so they offer to haul me along to the firearms range, handcuffing classes, etc.

At any rate, the question re: my experience seemed to center around how familiar I am with cops/agents/law enforcement personnel & their morals -- and I would say I'm a veritable EXPERT at that. I was raised by them, dated them, work with them, live with them.

AND I MAKE A KILLER POT OF COFFEE.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

Originally posted by Lil' Hannah
I'm sorry but I couldn't ignore this one...

PLUS I'd like to announce my recent induction into the $25k a year club.

Don't hate me because I'm so rich & beautiful.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
At any rate, the question re: my experience seemed to center around how familiar I am with cops/agents/law enforcement personnel & their morals -- and I would say I'm a veritable EXPERT at that. I was raised by them, dated them, work with them, live with them.

Being an expert at hanging around with cops does not make you an expert in the criminal justice field. Just so we're clear on that. I also can't help but wonder -- if you were raised by cops, hang out with cops, date cops, etc. -- whether you are somewhat biased in your assessments of police behavior.

[Rudey]

Again, there is nothing wrong with that statement.

If someone told me they did workforce management consulting yada yada yada yada, I would tell them to tell me what their field is a lot quicker.

I work in banking. If someone knows more about that field and wants to know what I do, I let them know I work with high grade fixed-income municipal products including long-term/short-term (floating rate), taxable and tax-exempt bonds as well as derivative solutions. But very rarely do I just drop a bombshell like that on even my relatives.

So this isn't about language and thus technically what she said is correct. As for how much she knows, she isn't an expert and I do not see any criminal lawyers in this thread who are experts and disagree with what she said.

-Rudey

Originally posted by aphigirly
i was taught english and here is an example

i work for an HR consulting and outsourcing firm. my firm does many things including the following
-Human resouce consulting
-workforce management
-payroll administration
-benefits administration

i specifically work in defined contribution plan administration and implementation. i would not say that i work in workforce management consulting even though the people in the offices one floor above me do. i do not know anything about it.

similarily, i used to work for General Electric. General Electric is a huge company that works in many different fields including regular household appliances, light bulbs, aircraft engines, medical technology, and network television (nbc). I specifically work in their industrial systems division in which they built basically large scale circuit brakers for for factories and nuclear power plants. but to be honest, i would say that i worked in factory planning and management, because thats what i did. to say anything else would be wrong.

i'm not trying to nitpick, nor am i saying that i am a criminal justice expert (where the heck did that come from anyway), but there is a HUGE difference between being a secretary and being a cop, DA, public defender, legal aid, paralegal, ect. I believe that is the point that Lil'Hannah and myself are making.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

question:

I'm not sure how much experience you have with the criminal "justice" arena

answer:

I work in the field.

[valkyrie]

Working in the field does not mean you're an expert on criminal justice, and it seems like you're trying to pass yourself off as one.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

Nope. I said I worked in the field, which is certainly true.

And, you didn't ask if I was an expert, you asked if I had experience, which I certainly do.

Additionally, I'm not sure why you'd need to have a masters from John Jay to qualify for discussion here -- this is about a cop's treatment of a fairly routine situation, no? From what I read in the post (Buddha's description of the situation and Buddha's reactions) the cop was justified in his actions.

[aphigirly]

Originally posted by Rudey
Again, there is nothing wrong with that statement.

If someone told me they did workforce management consulting yada yada yada yada, I would tell them to tell me what their field is a lot quicker.

I work in banking. If someone knows more about that field and wants to know what I do, I let them know I work with high grade fixed-income municipal products including long-term/short-term (floating rate), taxable and tax-exempt bonds as well as derivative solutions. But very rarely do I just drop a bombshell like that on even my relatives.

your example and my example are completely different. either you know that and just dont want to admit it, or you need to take a basic logic class

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
Actually it's not. How is this guy a victim? The cop was DOING HIS JOB. Let's review:


* SOMEBODY called in this guy's plate number. There was a problem to start with.

* They were sitting in the car, loitering near a school on the side of an otherwise deserted public road.

* The cop asked a number of completely reasonable questions: have you been drinking? doing drugs? etc. -- reasonable especially considering the cop had a complaint related to THAT PLATE NUMBER and these two are just kind of hanging out on the side of a deserted road.

* Buddha admits, yeah, he uses pot.



Okay so what's the problem here?

The cop assumed Buddha uses pot? HE ADMITS THAT IT'S TRUE! That Buddha thinks the cop may have based this assumption on the way he dresses/grooms? Buddha admits this has been a problem in the past -- if it bothers you, change it.

This is like people who speed, then get pissed they were pulled over. You were speeding! And then you were a dick to the cop, and you're shocked you got a ticket?

The cop was doing his job, which was to investigate a complaint. You're not going to convince me a pot-smoking guy just chillin at the side of the road in a car with a plate number that's been called in as harassing kids at a school is in the right on this one.

Sorry.

The problem is you initial comment. In no way is appropriate or even acceptable to judge some based on theior appearance. Just because she has dreads and wearing a Bob Marlet t-shirt does it mean that she smokes pot, was smoking pot, or ever has smoked pot. We don't know what she does and neither did this cop. Her attire should in no way reflect her behaviour and for this cop to do what he did was wrong, and so was your comment.

Cash, racial profiling is a big problem in many police departments.