Schools that don't recognize GLOs - Page 3

CutiePie2000 · #31 10-29-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by ThetokenCanuck
I heard UBC is building Rez's for their Greeks..anyone have any confirmed info on this?...

The new Panhellenic House is now built and it is BEAUTIFUL!
http://www.vapa.bc.ca/forever_friend...ome/index.html

The Fraternity Houses have all been demolished and new buildings have been built as well.

Taualumna · #32 10-29-2004, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by kappaloo
Nope - all residences are co-ed.

Are any segregated by floor? It must be tough for those who are religious or don't feel comfortable living on the same floor with members of the opposite sex if this isn't the case. When the last remaining all male rez at Queen's went co-ed, there were a few groups that demanded that some floors remain all male for religious reasons. The rez people listened and a couple of floors in Leonard Hall are still guys' only.

kappaloo · #33 10-29-2004, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
Are any segregated by floor? It must be tough for those who are religious or don't feel comfortable living on the same floor with members of the opposite sex if this isn't the case. When the last remaining all male rez at Queen's went co-ed, there were a few groups that demanded that some floors remain all male for religious reasons. The rez people listened and a couple of floors in Leonard Hall are still guys' only.

Oh, they're segregated by floor (or portion of floor in some cases) in traditional residences and there is options to have a single sex suite in suite-style, but strictly speaking, all residence units (house or floor) will have both men and women.

if you want to know more, PM me cuz this is quite the hijack.

AGDee · #34 10-29-2004, 10:54 PM

I'll hijack a little here too... I'm a Cub Scout (because I'm a leader, you have to register) and a Girl Scout (because if I'm going to go on any of the 'field trips' with my daughter, I have to be registered). This is how they get most of the Dads registered too. To be covered by Girl Scout insurance, if they are going to attend a trip or drive the girls somewhere, they have to be a registered member!

Dee

ThetokenCanuck · #35 10-30-2004, 12:40 PM

Congrats UBC!! I am soo jealous..up here in Ottawa we have to find a house on our own. The frat houses are quite messy and gross...ewww

Is the Rez for all Greeks? Do you have seperate floors for each Org?

CutiePie2000 · #36 10-30-2004, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by ThetokenCanuck
The frat houses are quite messy and gross...ewww

Yeah, the guys frat houses (the old ones) were pretty messy and gross too, prior to getting demolished.

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Originally posted by ThetokenCanuck
Is the Rez for all Greeks? Do you have seperate floors for each Org?

I know in the upper floors of Panhellenic, there is housing for something like 5 girls from each chapter, and housing for non-Greeks too. There is no "all Greek" housing though (except for the fraternity houses)

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Originally posted by Taualumna
Are any segregated by floor? It must be tough for those who are religious or don't feel comfortable living on the same floor with members of the opposite sex if this isn't the case.

UBC residences (Totem and Vanier) are pretty much run like this (girl floor, guy floor, girl floor, guy floor). I don't know of mixed sex floors. For me, it has nothing to do with religion, but rather the fact that living with young men, aged 18-22....well, boys can be messy, noisy and gross at that age!

Lady Pi Phi · #37 10-30-2004, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
Doe Waterloo have single-gendered student residences?

This is a very interesting question you asked.

I know Guelph has a single-sex residence. MacDonald Hall is an all female residence. There used to be an all male residence-Mills Hall-until it was changed to co-ed because of the lack of space for females (females make up 60-70% of our student body).
Guelph does not recognize GLO's, and their reasoning is that we discrinimate based on gender. But it's interesting that they do recognize Varsity sports teams, which are single sex and are somewhat exclusive. Everyone is welcome to try out for a varsity team, however not everyone will be choses for the team. Kind of like GLO's. Everyone is welcome to go through recruitment, yet not everyone will get a bid.
This is of course more of a rant than it is a question, but what makes varsity sports team different from GLO's??

Taualumna · #38 10-30-2004, 05:58 PM

I think the real reason why GLOs are not recognized by some schools is because of ritual. The adminstration can't control what goes on because they don't know what happens, unless they happen to be an alum of that group. Also, from what I understand, U of T kicked all GLOs off campus because GLOs used to discriminate based on race. I think there was a post here a while ago about that, but I'm not sure where it is now. This occured in the early 60s, I think.

CutiePie2000 · #39 10-30-2004, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
I think the real reason why GLOs are not recognized by some schools is because of ritual.

Delta Upsilon is a non-secret fraternity, so they don't have a secret ritual. And Phrateres is an all-girl club at UBC with an initiation ritual (I know, I was in it), and the administration at UBC has no problem recognizing them.
http://www.ams.ubc.ca/clubs/phrateres/
There is also Ceres at U of Alberta which is an all girl club at U of A.

I think it's perceived that Greeks discriminate against people based on race or sexual orientation, and that all we do is party, promote underage drinking (more of a USA problem with its age 21 business than here, but I digress), behave immaturely and fail out of school (Hey...movies like "Animal House", while funny, are not great for Greeks in terms of promoting a positive image). I also suspect that with Canadian University Administrators, that there is some anti-American sentiment too, since Greeks started out as being uniquely American.

PhiPsiRuss · #40 10-30-2004, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
I think the real reason why GLOs are not recognized by some schools is because of ritual.

That is occasionaly cited at some religiously affiliated schools, but other than that its never the case.

Taualumna · #41 10-30-2004, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by CutiePie2000
And Phrateres is an all-girl club at UBC with an initiation ritual (I know, I was in it), and the administration at UBC has no problem recognizing them.
http://www.ams.ubc.ca/clubs/phrateres/
There is also Ceres at U of Alberta which is an all girl club at U of A.

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Guides has an intiation ritual too. If a girl who has never been through Guiding is interested in Link, she'd have to be officially enrolled after a few weeks of learning about Guiding.

RACooper · #42 10-31-2004, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
I think the real reason why GLOs are not recognized by some schools is because of ritual. The adminstration can't control what goes on because they don't know what happens, unless they happen to be an alum of that group. Also, from what I understand, U of T kicked all GLOs off campus because GLOs used to discriminate based on race. I think there was a post here a while ago about that, but I'm not sure where it is now. This occured in the early 60s, I think.

Yep... GLOs were axed because one org. (which I will not name) initiated a "coloured member" and were told by their IHQ that their charter would be pulled if it wasn't fixed, so they revoked this person's membership. This person however was very, very invovled in student politics at the time.... I believe she was a contemporary of our current Governor General - who was also denied membership.

The debate needless to say led to further investigations in to the practices and policies of the GLOs at the time.... eventually the administration decided that it was best to sever all ties with GLOs to protect themselves legally (and I suspect to hope the "problem" went away). After this just over 2/3rd of all houses folded, or had their property appropriated for school expansion.

Taualumna · #43 10-31-2004, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Yep... GLOs were axed because one org. (which I will not name) initiated a "coloured member" and were told by their IHQ that their charter would be pulled if it wasn't fixed, so they revoked this person's membership. This person however was very, very invovled in student politics at the time.... I believe she was a contemporary of our current Governor General - who was also denied membership.

The debate needless to say led to further investigations in to the practices and policies of the GLOs at the time.... eventually the administration decided that it was best to sever all ties with GLOs to protect themselves legally (and I suspect to hope the "problem" went away). After this just over 2/3rd of all houses folded, or had their property appropriated for school expansion.

Things certainly have changed since then, so why doesn't the school reexamine the situation?

RACooper · #44 10-31-2004, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
Things certainly have changed since then, so why doesn't the school reexamine the situation?

To be honest I think that the administration and most GLOs on campus are happy with the status quo... which is basically acceptance but not recognition. However things could change if the poitical and academic climate changed at the school... the head of the UTAA (UofT Alumni Association) is a greek and he'd be more than happy to pursue recognition; but there would be too much resistance from the Governing Council, Deans of Colleges, and many student orgs (think of the opposition to a stadium).

ThetokenCanuck · #45 10-31-2004, 01:06 PM

I can speak for Carleton and say that the administration wont recognize GLO's because they are discriminatory as in-in reality we dont accept EVERYBODY. Carleton has strict all inclusive, mulitcultural rules so because we can turn down people it doesn't fit in with admin's policy.

However, we have just formed an IFC on campus. We have made a significant gain-we just got club status! We means that the IFC and maybe all GLO's in our IFC can have a table at club day and do fundraiser bake sales. There will soon be a new Dean of Students so we are looking forward to working with her in order to gain more recognition and freedom on campus.

We have had many Greek people on our student council and let me tell you-it really doesnt make a difference to helping us. I was told that this year by a Greek rep on council that it would be better and this year before the IFC we lost club status..it seems that Carleton is not a very friendly GLO campus.